What Happened To Training?

Cat's Squirrel

Well-known member
The thinking I was increasingly seeing in the 1980s and later, was that it was criminal to make money from Scientology, unless most of the money flowed up to orgs and Int.

Thus field auditors who kept most of their revenue and only had to flow 10% outlines were stamped out. FSMs who got 10% of what they regges were OK.
I think this attack on the field was one of the worst decisions the CofS made, because field auditors tended to be normal people with lives and so were the natural outreach of the CofS into the community. Cutting down on field auditing made the orgs much more of an esoteric sect isolated from its host communities than it had been previously.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
I think this attack on the field was one of the worst decisions the CofS made, because field auditors tended to be normal people with lives and so were the natural outreach of the CofS into the community. Cutting down on field auditing made the orgs much more of an esoteric sect isolated from its host communities than it had been previously.
Perhaps that was the point.

Auditors who reached out to their community were much more likely to have people respond with all the stuff they saw on the Internet.
 

Dotey OT

Dis-Membered
The choich no longer pushes training the way it once did. Thirty years ago, you could feel it coming down tech lines when I was tech staff. There was an expectancy that training was what one needed to do, or you better have a have a pretty big excuse for not. Someone that could be a big IAS donor was treated more like a donor than one who needed training. Other than that, you would hear about it.

Still, in spite of that, not many people did train.

It's much worse now. They sell the courses with some of the same lines of reg speak, especially because of the cults past. Old St. Hill was what was preached. The pictures of the tennis courts, the academy. Now it's what can be regged for. If they are better HGC particles, well there you go. Auditing is on the price lists. I collected for it as a recent reg.

What is now more important is the full GI one can get. It only matters that the money is collected. If you just ran up 30k or more on a retired person on a fixed income without a snowballs chance in hell to make the monthly payment... well, there you go.

I saw an 80+ y/o African American lady almost have that happen to her. It was by a class V org S.O. reg. The HES got wind of it AFTER the credit over 4k was denied, instead of the hoped for 26k. The HES was not class V org staff and therefore would not raise hell about the GI for fear of her own life. But I remember hearing her say "thank god" under her breath.

This was not a training reg cycle, but just something I recalled just now.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
The choich no longer pushes training the way it once did. Thirty years ago, you could feel it coming down tech lines when I was tech staff. There was an expectancy that training was what one needed to do, or you better have a have a pretty big excuse for not. Someone that could be a big IAS donor was treated more like a donor than one who needed training. Other than that, you would hear about it.

Still, in spite of that, not many people did train.

It's much worse now. They sell the courses with some of the same lines of reg speak, especially because of the cults past. Old St. Hill was what was preached. The pictures of the tennis courts, the academy. Now it's what can be regged for. If they are better HGC particles, well there you go. Auditing is on the price lists. I collected for it as a recent reg.

What is now more important is the full GI one can get. It only matters that the money is collected. If you just ran up 30k or more on a retired person on a fixed income without a snowballs chance in hell to make the monthly payment... well, there you go.

I saw an 80+ y/o African American lady almost have that happen to her. It was by a class V org S.O. reg. The HES got wind of it AFTER the credit over 4k was denied, instead of the hoped for 26k. The HES was not class V org staff and therefore would not raise hell about the GI for fear of her own life. But I remember hearing her say "thank god" under her breath.

This was not a training reg cycle, but just something I recalled just now.
Days gone by, training produced field auditors. Field auditors would disseminate to everyone they knew, and eventually their PC's would wind up at an org.

Now, field auditing is discouraged, and co auditing is unworkable. So what's the point?
 

Dotey OT

Dis-Membered
To those in the bubble long enough to have heard the training rah-rah, I wonder if any of those people wonder what happened to it? It used to be that auxiliary engine, now it's gone.
 

Cat's Squirrel

Well-known member
To those in the bubble long enough to have heard the training rah-rah, I wonder if any of those people wonder what happened to it? It used to be that auxiliary engine, now it's gone.
If money (and quick money) is your goal, as it appears to be Miscavige's, it's a slow way to make it as well. The quickest way is to ask for donations, the next quickest is to sell blocks of auditing (especially at or near the top of the bridge). With training though, you can be weeks or even months grinding through all the requirements for each level. Even my Student Hat took me several weeks to do, with all the tapes, checksheets and clay and paper demos.
 
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Dotey OT

Dis-Membered
I wanted to be a GRAD V C/S. I was supposed to go for training and I said yes to another posting, only because I was such a willing scilon (never called myself that before). I sometimes mourn the supposed super powers and omniscience over life I would have had. It seemed within my reach. Here's an example:



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You know, who would need the specs? You could just use your super powers brought about by listening to hours, upon hours of monotonous droning.

Chicks dig big clay demos.
 

onceuponatime

Well-known member
I wanted to be a GRAD V C/S. I was supposed to go for training and I said yes to another posting, only because I was such a willing scilon (never called myself that before). I sometimes mourn the supposed super powers and omniscience over life I would have had. It seemed within my reach. Here's an example:



You know, who would need the specs? You could just use your super powers brought about by listening to hours, upon hours of monotonous droning.

Chicks dig big clay demos.
Don't worry, you aren't missing anything.

It is interesting to think how training has taken such a nose dive. And they've done it to themselves, which is one of the reasons they're falling apart. Before they heavily promoted training and everyone wanted to be a C/S or Auditor or Supe. Now, with all the focus on money money money everyone wants to be the next Grant Cardone. Well guess what, if someone's trying to be Cardone they for sure aren't joining staff. If they just wanted to be a Supe then yeah, staff makes sense (of course then they see what it's like and route off).
 

Cat's Squirrel

Well-known member
Don't worry, you aren't missing anything.

It is interesting to think how training has taken such a nose dive. And they've done it to themselves, which is one of the reasons they're falling apart. Before they heavily promoted training and everyone wanted to be a C/S or Auditor or Supe. Now, with all the focus on money money money everyone wants to be the next Grant Cardone. Well guess what, if someone's trying to be Cardone they for sure aren't joining staff. If they just wanted to be a Supe then yeah, staff makes sense (of course then they see what it's like and route off).
I think that's easily overstated though; I saw what happened in the FZ, at least in the centre I was at, in the late 1980s. People came in who had done only training in the CofS because it was all they could afford, as did "stalled" Clears who had gotten that far on the bridge but couldn't afford their OT levels. Once they found a place that did deliver auditing at a price they could afford, most of them forgot about training and promptly became "professional PCs / pre-OTs".
 

PirateAndBum

Administrator
Staff member
DM's introduction of the basics and then all the congresses and ACCs became the huge push. Everyone is expected to do the basics. The runway to Level 0 became extremely lengthened. Add to that the incessant regging for Idle org money and even more rapacious IAS vultures only the very well off scilon could afford to paying for training or auditing. You'd have to have a very strong will to resist that pounding for your donations for something other than actual "bridge" services.
 

HelluvaHoax!

Well-known member
DM's introduction of the basics and then all the congresses and ACCs became the huge push. Everyone is expected to do the basics. The runway to Level 0 became extremely lengthened. Add to that the incessant regging for Idle org money and even more rapacious IAS vultures only the very well off scilon could afford to paying for training or auditing. You'd have to have a very strong will to resist that pounding for your donations for something other than actual "bridge" services.

Yes, the incessant demand for donations is actually hideous. It's like a war zone inside any org where the regges are like landmines to be avoided so they don't blow up and put you in a financial wheel chair or worse.

Imagine a Scientologist carrying around a hidden camera for one week at their local org and then at Flag and getting up-close-and-personal footage of the many DOZENS of messianic muggings one has to endure when simply walking through the org.

And besides all those financial assaults, how about capturing footage of regges showing up at your work or at your home at all hours of the day or night? Then, with all that juicy footage, I'd edit together a little instructive video to show:

A DAY IN THE LIFE OF A SCIENTOLOGIST!

I'd cut it short, to just under 60 seconds. It would be a blinding barrage of tricks, lies and sales gimmicks. It would be so intrusively crass, cringey, creepy and culty that I cannot imagine any wog in their right mind who sees it swearing that they will "NEVER EVER EVER GO INSIDE A SCIENTOLOGY CENTER!"

The rapacious regging is one of the biggest secrets in Scientology. Utterly uknown to non-Scientologists. But for anyone hapless enough to have become a Scientologist---they all know! LOL

Anyone with the misfortune of having stepped inside that chamber of craven cash corruption knows full well what Scientology is really all about. Even if they don't admit it to themselves, they get regged to death and they know that it's a criminally corrupt cult. If they DON'T know, I guess Scientology doesn't work, because otherwise they'd know how to know, ya know? LOL


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Dotey OT

Dis-Membered
Yes, the incessant demand for donations is actually hideous. It's like a war zone inside any org where the regges are like landmines to be avoided so they don't blow up and put you in a financial wheel chair or worse.

Imagine a Scientologist carrying around a hidden camera for one week at their local org and then at Flag and getting up-close-and-personal footage of the many DOZENS of messianic muggings one has to endure when simply walking through the org.

And besides all those financial assaults, how about capturing footage of regges showing up at your work or at your home at all hours of the day or night? Then, with all that juicy footage, I'd edit together a little instructive video to show:

A DAY IN THE LIFE OF A SCIENTOLOGIST!

I'd cut it short, to just under 60 seconds. It would be a blinding barrage of tricks, lies and sales gimmicks. It would be so intrusively crass, cringey, creepy and culty that I cannot imagine any wog in their right mind who sees it swearing that they will "NEVER EVER EVER GO INSIDE A SCIENTOLOGY CENTER!"

The rapacious regging is one of the biggest secrets in Scientology. Utterly uknown to non-Scientologists. But for anyone hapless enough to have become a Scientologist---they all know! LOL

Anyone with the misfortune of having stepped inside that chamber of craven cash corruption knows full well what Scientology is really all about. Even if they don't admit it to themselves, they get regged to death and they know that it's a criminally corrupt cult. If they DON'T know, I guess Scientology doesn't work, because otherwise they'd know how to know, ya know? LOL


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I wanted to do something like that with many people with different locations, that also showed the lack of people and the weirdness, true weirdness associated, and call it

A DAY IN THE LIE OF SCIENTOLOGY.
 

Reyne Mayer

Pansexual Revolutionary
i'm trying to work my way through the history of this thread, but for starters i just want to throw my quick summarized overview of what i see as the big picture, based on never having been in scientology, but having experience in some of things it is based on as well as with offshoots, plus formal work in psychology:

* 'training' like the SHSBC fell by the wayside in good part because it contains too much of Hubbard's weirdness, including most obviously racist/fascist rants, for general consumption in the 21st century. even Dianetics is a horrendous mess, including the bizarre claims that womyn almost habitually try to abort their fetuses with knitting needles, outdated in many ways before it first went to press.

* 'processing' in the post Lisa McPherson, post Elli Perkins, post multiple strange Flag suicides and who knows what else was swept under the rug, era, had to be reduced and severely restricted, because by the 21st century what Hubbard had failed to pay attention to in the 40s had become too painfully obvious and too hard to hide any longer in the face of modern media, including social media -- amateurish hypnotic, regressive, and abreactive/cathartic based techniques intended in part to try to push people into states like 'exteriorization' (diassociation) without going over the edge into psychosis, inevitably result in an unacceptable number of bad outcomes.

i've also picked up a lot from various old timers i've talked to including some pretty well known figures. i'd be interested to hear what others with experience think about those 'viewpoints'.
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
i'm trying to work my way through the history of this thread, but for starters i just want to throw my quick summarized overview of what i see as the big picture, based on never having been in scientology, but having experience in some of things it is based on as well as with offshoots, plus formal work in psychology:

* 'training' like the SHSBC fell by the wayside in good part because it contains too much of Hubbard's weirdness, including most obviously racist/fascist rants, for general consumption in the 21st century. even Dianetics is a horrendous mess, including the bizarre claims that womyn almost habitually try to abort their fetuses with knitting needles, outdated in many ways before it first went to press.

* 'processing' in the post Lisa McPherson, post Elli Perkins, post multiple strange Flag suicides and who knows what else was swept under the rug, era, had to be reduced and severely restricted, because by the 21st century what Hubbard had failed to pay attention to in the 40s had become too painfully obvious and too hard to hide any longer in the face of modern media, including social media -- amateurish hypnotic, regressive, and abreactive/cathartic based techniques intended in part to try to push people into states like 'exteriorization' (diassociation) without going over the edge into psychosis, inevitably result in an unacceptable number of bad outcomes.

i've also picked up a lot from various old timers i've talked to including some pretty well known figures. i'd be interested to hear what others with experience think about those 'viewpoints'.

OMG!
 

ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
i'd be interested to hear what others with experience think about those 'viewpoints'.
"what i see as the big picture, based on never having been in scientology"
I'm gobsmacked. :omg: I've read many of your posts on Tony's (I don't post there) and I always
marvel at your deep dive knowledge of all things sci and Hubbard, including points of minutiae
that few delve into or know about. You must have spent years 24/7 digging into all this, LOL.
I know quite a lot, but seldom run across someone like you who knows so much about
scientology's past, distant past, and current shenanigans. My hat's off to you.
:hattip:
You're usually very on point with your conclusions and some I've found staggeringly insightful
. . . especially for you never having been in. A joy to read and so well written. Please carry on. :yes:
. . . amateurish hypnotic, regressive, and abreactive/cathartic based techniques intended in part to try to push people into states like 'exteriorization' (diassociation) without going over the edge into psychosis, inevitably result in an unacceptable number of bad outcomes.
Interesting perspective and description. I've seen some people pushed into imaginary incidents
and into inventing imaginary pasts and pushed right into hospital mental wards. Frightening
outcomes for them. I was young at the time and rationalized it away with "tech references."
i've also picked up a lot from various old timers i've talked to including some pretty well known figures.
Pray tell. Would be interesting to hear about when you have time and are inclined. We like this stuff. :whistle:
 
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Dotey OT

Dis-Membered
Training to be an auditor WAS considered, or made to be a very important thing. A person could be ridiculed "Oh, she is just being a PC." What that meant was the person seemed to be the effect of things rather than cause. The idea of training was you were supposed to be more "At Cause" after you did training than before. There was supposed to be a benefit of doing training over and above that you could audit, you were now senior to the pc and his/her case, because you were now an auditor and had skills on doing battle with the bank. Fifty percent of your potential gains were supposed to be from training. All kinds of propaganda flowed in regards to this. The hco pl "reasons to train" was something that you needed to know thoroughly so that you could sell training or use in scheduling or enlightenment.

But there was so much more that was said about training, it was given a huge buildup.



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Veda

Well-known member
Link to "Long strings of psychotics" thread.

Provides Hubbard's explanation, circa 1955 (It's psychiatrists and communists using LSD, and also using Pain-Drug-Hypnosis), and his confidential policy instructions, circa 1971 (to blame it on psychiatrists and medical doctors.)


Link to Scientology Sharia Law thread.

Scientology Inc. seeks to protect itself from liability with contracts.



Photo and caption from the Auditor newspaper, circa approximately 1970


 

onceuponatime

Well-known member
Training to be an auditor WAS considered, or made to be a very important thing. A person could be ridiculed "Oh, she is just being a PC." What that meant was the person seemed to be the effect of things rather than cause. The idea of training was you were supposed to be more "At Cause" after you did training than before. There was supposed to be a benefit of doing training over and above that you could audit, you were now senior to the pc and his/her case, because you were now an auditor and had skills on doing battle with the bank. Fifty percent of your potential gains were supposed to be from training. All kinds of propaganda flowed in regards to this. The hco pl "reasons to train" was something that you needed to know thoroughly so that you could sell training or use in scheduling or enlightenment.

But there was so much more that was said about training, it was given a huge buildup.
At the end of the day you have to realize what's important in Scientology, clearing the planet.... Ok it's money, all they care about is money. When someone buys 25K worth of training they will be working on that for years, i.e. not a real prospect for other services. When they buy 25K worth of auditing they can be pushed through it in just a few months. Training has always been a small part of an orgs GI, maybe 25% (that might even be too high). And at orgs like Flag I'm not even sure what percentage training makes up. I wouldn't be surprised to learn its 5% of their GI or less.

So even though training has all these references saying how important it is and that it should be most of the GI etc. it's always been secondary to processing. On top of that everyone wants to go Clear and OT, only a few really want to train.

Then you add in that the church has now realized they can just ask for money, they don't even have to pretend to deliver anything. So now training is a distant third in terms of importance. Of course every once in a while someone will pull out the refs about training and try to push it but reges know where the money is coming from, they aren't going to prioritize training.

Then you add in that Scientology training is grueling, stressful, filled with arbitraries, etc. and it's not really a surprise that it isn't popular at all. The only people really doing it are staff/SO.

The thing is it used to have an allure to it "he's an Class VIII" etc. Not so much these days.
 

Dotey OT

Dis-Membered
When someone buys 25K worth of training they will be working on that for years, i.e. not a real prospect for other services. When they buy 25K worth of auditing they can be pushed through it in just a few months.
The basics. I think the set of books would run about 3k. Courses for those books run anywhere from $50 USD for fundamentals of thot or history of man, to $500 for pdc's. It could take several years to do the full set of basic courses, and be a full basics completion. woohoo. Full time would take around a year.

I supervised courses, and would walk around while supervising, wondering why these courses weren't more, because the math was really shitty.
 
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