The Volcano Mystery

HelluvaHoax!

Well-known member
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"Spelling Not Guaranteed"
—L. Ron Hubbard




Wow, thanks Ron!

We weren't actually worried
so much about the spelling.
It would have been kinda nice
if you had also mentioned that

the facts weren't guaranteed either.


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pineapple

能说的名字不真的名字
That December [1935], a pond of lava breached its levees and advanced on Hilo at a rate of a mile per day. Fearing it would reach the town and its watershed, Thomas Jaggar, the founder and first director of the U.S. Geological Survey’s Hawaiian Volcano Observatory, called on the Army Air Corps. On Dec. 27, 10 Keystone B-3 and B-4 biplane bombers struck the lava flow, targeting its tubes and channels.


Hubbard's inspiration for OT III?
 

Lee #28

Well-known member
I wonder what source of information Hubbard used for his list of volcanoes.......back then? No Google to utilize.

Perhaps some encyclopedia....? That wouldn't explain Tangier though...


If anyone is interested.....here is a better OT 3 story....of the world wide cataclysm... All from modern technology and research.

Disaster on planet Earth....66 million years ago. Very compelling....especially the vertical rock layer in the sink holes in Mexico....
First part of the vid....as it covers other stories also...

Before this event...there were dinosaurs....and after this event....there were none.

 
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lotus

Gone away from madness!
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"Spelling Not Guaranteed"
—L. Ron Hubbard




Wow, thanks Ron!

We weren't actually worried
so much about the spelling.
It would have been kinda nice
if you had also mentioned that

the facts weren't guaranteed either.


...
Spelling not guaranteed
:questions:


Isn't it this guy who charged us $$$$$
To learn using a dictionnary
And to read encyclopedias???

Too Lazy fatty Hubs???
🤔

Philippines
Ron the explorer
Not Philipines

 

guanoloco

As-Wased
What's so stupid is that atomic detonations with or without volcanoes present is just as devastating. Why volcanoes?

They don't make the scenario any more catastrophic except in the mind of the reader. Literally...the atomic bombs are the issue. It wouldn't matter if it's in a suburb, on a glacier, in the jungle, 10,000 feet below the sea, in orbit of Mars, in a desert, in the middle of a hurricane or in a volcano. The volcano doesn't add anything to the equation. It's not like we have a normal atomic blast and then it's somehow made that much more traumatic because of a volcano.
 

PirateAndBum

Administrator
Staff member
What's so stupid is that atomic detonations with or without volcanoes present is just as devastating. Why volcanoes?

They don't make the scenario any more catastrophic except in the mind of the reader. Literally...the atomic bombs are the issue. It wouldn't matter if it's in a suburb, on a glacier, in the jungle, 10,000 feet below the sea, in orbit of Mars, in a desert, in the middle of a hurricane or in a volcano. The volcano doesn't add anything to the equation. It's not like we have a normal atomic blast and then it's somehow made that much more traumatic because of a volcano.
You had to be there to understand. Clearly you were elsewhere back then.
 

Dotey OT

Re-Membered
What's so stupid is that atomic detonations with or without volcanoes present is just as devastating. Why volcanoes?

They don't make the scenario any more catastrophic except in the mind of the reader. Literally...the atomic bombs are the issue. It wouldn't matter if it's in a suburb, on a glacier, in the jungle, 10,000 feet below the sea, in orbit of Mars, in a desert, in the middle of a hurricane or in a volcano. The volcano doesn't add anything to the equation. It's not like we have a normal atomic blast and then it's somehow made that much more traumatic because of a volcano.
Adding a volcano reads better in fiction.

So did DC-8's.

So did the use of the word "Anti-Social" when connected to someone who pointed out scn flaws and crime.

So did the use of the word "engineer."

So did...
 

Reyne Mayer

Pansexual Revolutionary
Why volcanoes?
i notice that LRH often used things that were either popular in the public imagination at the time -- or else seeming revelations of what he was actually picking up from his sci fi, pseudoscience and occultist social circles (the 'Jesus as a lover of boys' idea must come from a 1958 work by an academic researching schismatic early christian sects that would have been sensational in those circles yet not known to broader audiences).

i found this from 1959:


also, an idea for a film first floated in 1955, that began filming in very early 1967 and was released in '68:

 
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Dotey OT

Re-Membered
Just like Verbal Kint in The Usual Suspects, when in the detectives office, looking at the wall of clippings and inventing his story.
 

pineapple

能说的名字不真的名字
(the 'Jesus as a lover of boys' idea must come from a 1958 work by an academic researching schismatic early christian sects that would have been sensational in those circles yet not known to broader audiences).
Claims that Jesus was gay go back centuries, mainly based on descriptions of St. John as "the beloved disciple":

[excerpt]
The same month that Marlowe [Christopher Marlowe, Elizabethan playwright] died a police informant and on-and off-spy Richard Baines compiled a document of Kit’s “monstrous opinions.” The point of the Baines note, as historian and author Charles Nicholl has written, was “to incriminate Marlowe.” According to Baines, Marlowe was an atheist who doubted the existence of God, thought the Bible was “filthily [i.e. poorly] written,” and believed that the sacrament of communion would be greatly improved if the bread and wine was replaced with a tobacco pipe. His most shocking statement, however, was that “St. John the Evangelist was bedfellow to Christ and leaned always in his bosom, that he used him as the sinners of Sodom.”
...
Marlowe wasn’t the only Renaissance-era figure to ask questions about the relationship between Jesus and John. Just 40 years earlier a young Venetian friar named Francesco Calcagno was executed for blasphemy for claiming that John was Jesus’ catamite (a pubescent boy who engaged in a sexual relationship with an older man). For Calcagno, like Marlowe, his beliefs about Jesus’ sexuality are connected to a particular form of 16th century atheism that focused on the idea that Jesus was human. He apparently said that Christ “was merely human, and that he often had carnal knowledge of St. John,” that he had more confidence in the Latin poet Ovid than the Bible, and “that he would rather worship a pretty little boy in the flesh than God.” One of Calcagno’s acquaintances testified at his trial that Calcagno slept with a boy “almost every night” but it’s unclear if this was slander. In 1550, at the age of 22, Calcagno was interrogated in Brescia, and was executed in Venice two days before Christmas.
[end excerpt]
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars

HelluvaHoax!

Well-known member
i notice that LRH often used things that were either popular in the public imagination at the time -- or else seeming revelations of what he was actually picking up from his sci fi, pseudoscience and occultist social circles (the 'Jesus as a lover of boys' idea must come from a 1958 work by an academic researching schismatic early christian sects that would have been sensational in those circles yet not known to broader audiences).

i found this from 1959:


also, an idea for a film first floated in 1955, that began filming in very early 1967 and was released in '68:




Yes, and more!

1944 MAGAZINE COVER




1931 MAGAZINE COVER




WOW! 1950! A VOLCANO THAT COMES WITH
A FREE MARY SUE HUBBARD COVERGIRL!





1958 "MEN OF THE VOLCANOS"
That might have inspired Dr. Hubbard since they
were on fire just like they BTs being blown out of a Volcano.
(and artwork by Jack Kirby, someone who was
well known to Hubbard as a Sci-Fi illustrator)




TALKING ABOUT ALIEN APPROPRIATION, HOW ABOUT
THIS 1960 ALIEN CHARACTER "XEMNU" THAT WAS CREATED
BY JACK KIRBY & STAN LEE, FIRST INTRODUCED IN THIS COMIC
BOOK. IT'S SPELLED WITH BOTH AN "N" AND "M"


At least we now know why Hubbard's OT III
manifesto stated this about the evil alien's name
"Xenu, ahhh, could be spelled X-E-M-U"

...​
 
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Reyne Mayer

Pansexual Revolutionary
Claims that Jesus was gay go back centuries, mainly based on descriptions of St. John as "the beloved disciple"
in the case of Morton Smith's work, it goes back to a schismatic christian group of the first couple of centuries that i think promoted a more Roman view of sexuality, and the possible portrayal of Lazarus as the object of Jesus' affections in an alternate version of the gospels.
 

Type4_PTS

Well-known member
Disaster on planet Earth....66 million years ago. Very compelling....especially the vertical rock layer in the sink holes in Mexico....
First part of the vid....as it covers other stories also...

Before this event...there were dinosaurs....and after this event....there were none.

Only the non-avian dinosaurs were wiped out after this event 66 million years ago. But there are at least 50 billion dinosaurs still living amongst us.

 
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guanoloco

As-Wased
I wonder what source of information Hubbard used for his list of volcanoes.......back then? No Google to utilize.

Perhaps some encyclopedia....? That wouldn't explain Tangier though...


If anyone is interested.....here is a better OT 3 story....of the world wide cataclysm... All from modern technology and research.

Disaster on planet Earth....66 million years ago. Very compelling....especially the vertical rock layer in the sink holes in Mexico....
First part of the vid....as it covers other stories also...

Before this event...there were dinosaurs....and after this event....there were none.

Nothing bigger than 50kg survives the KP boundary. Pretty severe.

I once had archived an article where a fossil bed was discovered in either Montana or North or South Dakota of fish fossils from the tsunami. Get that. This tsunami was about a mile high and traveled from the south edge of the gulf of Mexico clear into...probably...Canada.
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
Major volcanic explosions are much bigger than nukes.
Mt Saint Helens in 1980 was about 35 megatons.
Krakatoa was about 200 megatons
The 1815 Tambora explosion was about 33,000 megatons.
Nukes are relatively puny.

You are absolutely correct.

Think of F=MA. A freight train coasting at 1/2 mile per hour expends as much energy as a corvette doing 150 mph and when they collide with a brick wall, for instance, the wall gives.

However, the expenditure of the corvette is immediate while the train would topple the wall the corvette would explode the wall. Same energy output.

It's the same analogy.

An eruption takes place over weeks and months while an atomic explosion is measured in nano seconds.

That's how hurricane and tornado winds drive hay straw through trees and bricks.

It's all at once.

And, yes, there is an initial blast from an eruption.

In addition...a volcanic eruption explodes upward while an atomic explosion is detonated to explode downward. I don't know of any shadows of people and objects left over from an eruption but this occurred with the Hiroshima and Nagasaki explosions, just from the intensity of the heat and light that was released all at once.

That's why we crack the seal on a soda to release the pressure over time.

As bad as an eruption is the traumatic event is the atomic explosion.
 
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