Tales from AOLA, Mike Silverman, RPF, etc

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
I had been trying to route out of the SO (1983) and finally the MAA gave up on me and told me if I persisted with the routing form, I'd be declared anyway. So I just walked out.

Caroline,

I don't know if I ever told you this, but I remember meeting/seeing you once in 1982. It was in AOLA. You were posted at Flag. Your husband Eric had just been assigned to the RPF. You were in AOLA reception with him. I don't really know what was going on, but I think what was happening was he wanted to leave staff and you were there to try to get him to stay.

I was a very, VERY new staff member. I just remember feeling so sorry for you and the stress the whole situation was putting you under.

I should have taken that as a sign of things to come and gotten out there and then.

Too bad I didn't, and stuck around another 14 years.
 
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Caroline

clerk #2
Caroline,

I don't know if I ever told you this, but I remember meeting/seeing you once in 1982. It was in AOLA. You were posted at Flag. Your husband Eric had just been assigned to the RPF. You were in AOLA reception with him. I don't really know what was going on, but I think what was happening was he wanted to leave staff and you were there to try to get him to stay.

I was a very, VERY new staff memeber. I just remember feeling so sorry for you and the stress the whole situation was putting you under.

I should have taken that as a sign of things to come and gotten out there and then.

Too bad I didn't, and stuck around another 14 years.
I recall you posted a brief mention on ESMB some time ago about our having met, but not these details, thank you. If you've posted your story already, I'd appreciate a link.

I was in the SO at AOLA between late 1978 and early 1983. I had been to Flag for tech training, but by 1982 I was auditing in the NOTs unit at AOLA. Eric was posted in Division 2. In late 1982, an Int Finance Police mission declared him, and escorted him off base. I tried to get the mission to mitigate the SP declare to an RPF assignment, but my plan failed. I spent several weeks in Ethics because I wouldn't agree to divorce him, and then I left the SO in early 1983. Eric's SP declare was cancelled some years later. Our marriage did not survive. I went back into the SO in 1987, this time at FSO, where I was posted in a NOTs unit at the Fort Harrison.
 
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Hatshepsut

Well-known member
I recall you posted a brief mention on ESMB some time ago about our having met, but not these details, thank you. If you've posted your story already, I'd appreciate a link.

I was in the SO at AOLA between late 1978 and early 1983. I had been to Flag for tech training, but by 1982 I was auditing in the NOTs unit at AOLA. Eric was posted in Division 2. In late 1982, an Int Finance Police mission declared him, and escorted him off base. I tried to get the mission to mitigate the SP declare to an RPF assignment, but my plan failed. I spent several weeks in Ethics because I wouldn't agree to divorce him, and then I left the SO in early 1983. Eric's SP declare was cancelled some years later. Our marriage did not survive. I went back into the SO in 1987, this time at FSO, where I was posted in a NOTs unit at the Fort Harrison.
I was hanging around in the reception area of AOLA too, in 1982. Nicole Sims registrar, Julie Grimes doing repairs and Michael Silverman doing impressive card tricks.
 

freethinker

Controversial
I was hanging around in the reception area of AOLA too, in 1982. Nicole Sims registrar, Julie Grimes doing repairs and Michael Silverman doing impressive card tricks.
Was Michael Silvermen a really tall man with dark hair balding on top?
 

cakemaker

Well-known member
I recall you posted a brief mention on ESMB some time ago about our having met, but not these details, thank you. If you've posted your story already, I'd appreciate a link.

I was in the SO at AOLA between late 1978 and early 1983. I had been to Flag for tech training, but by 1982 I was auditing in the NOTs unit at AOLA. Eric was posted in Division 2. In late 1982, an Int Finance Police mission declared him, and escorted him off base. I tried to get the mission to mitigate the SP declare to an RPF assignment, but my plan failed. I spent several weeks in Ethics because I wouldn't agree to divorce him, and then I left the SO in early 1983. Eric's SP declare was cancelled some years later. Our marriage did not survive. I went back into the SO in 1987, this time at FSO, where I was posted in a NOTs unit at the Fort Harrison.
If you were at AOLA during that time period, I'm sure I met you. That's when I did my OT levels.
What was Eric's last name?
 

Hatshepsut

Well-known member
Was Michael Silvermen a really tall man with dark hair balding on top?
I don't think it was that dark. He was tall and balding though. I thought he must've been VERY OT. He made a card from the deck in his hands appear on the outside of the lobby window around Christmas time. It was cold and nobody was going out to retrieve it. Those were the good old days, blue couches and all. These had tiny golden stars covering the large overstuffed corduroy furniture. Later the AAC lounge in Santa Barabara would have the same. Kinda poetic that.
 
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I recall you posted a brief mention on ESMB some time ago about our having met, but not these details, thank you. If you've posted your story already, I'd appreciate a link.

I was in the SO at AOLA between late 1978 and early 1983. I had been to Flag for tech training, but by 1982 I was auditing in the NOTs unit at AOLA. Eric was posted in Division 2. In late 1982, an Int Finance Police mission declared him, and escorted him off base. I tried to get the mission to mitigate the SP declare to an RPF assignment, but my plan failed. I spent several weeks in Ethics because I wouldn't agree to divorce him, and then I left the SO in early 1983. Eric's SP declare was cancelled some years later. Our marriage did not survive. I went back into the SO in 1987, this time at FSO, where I was posted in a NOTs unit at the Fort Harrison.
OH! You're THAT Caroline! :biglove: I know you and you know me, too!

I'm sorry to hear all you went through, Caroline. :heartflowers: I vaguely remember Eric's Declare, but didn't know any of this about you. Pressure to divorce your husband. Sickening. :puke2:

I'm glad you're here and well. :hug:
 

freethinker

Controversial
I don't think it was that dark. He was tall and balding though. I thought he must've been VERY OT. He made a card from the deck in his hands appear on the outside of the lobby window around Christmas time. It was cold and nobody was going out to retrieve it. Those were the good old days, blue couches and all. These had tiny golden stars covering the large overstuffed corduroy furniture. Later the AAC lounge in Santa Barabara would have the same. Kinda poetic that.
Did he do OT magic tours to orgs like Boston?
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
I was in the SO at AOLA between late 1978 and early 1983. I had been to Flag for tech training, but by 1982 I was auditing in the NOTs unit at AOLA. Eric was posted in Division 2. In late 1982, an Int Finance Police mission declared him, and escorted him off base. I tried to get the mission to mitigate the SP declare to an RPF assignment, but my plan failed. I spent several weeks in Ethics because I wouldn't agree to divorce him, and then I left the SO in early 1983. Eric's SP declare was cancelled some years later. Our marriage did not survive. I went back into the SO in 1987, this time at FSO, where I was posted in a NOTs unit at the Fort Harrison.

Yeah, now I kind of remember. This was one of my first experiences observing Sea Org insanity. I worked in Div 2 also. Eric had always been very nice to me. I remember even then thinking declaring him was nuts.

Eric ran the bookstore. Bookstore people were always targets. They made a lot of money compared to the average staff member, and there was always a jealousy and suspicion of them. They would get killed for being too good at their jobs. He wasn't the last person I saw get RPFed or declared off of that post. Not only in AOLA but in other service orgs.

Teresa Embick got declared off of the BSO ASHO post a few years later for essentially using people's money on account for books. Which...was what she was told she was supposed to do.

That was very much a no-win job.
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
I was hanging around in the reception area of AOLA too, in 1982. Nicole Sims registrar, Julie Grimes doing repairs and Michael Silverman doing impressive card tricks.
Oh god. Julie Grimes. I haven't heard her name for years and years.

Julie was another one who got declared for whatever reason. I remember it happening at a staff briefing that Irene Dirmann gave. She was the CO for a short time when I got to AOLA before she got busted and RPFed.

Julie was some kind of a tech person; auditor or C/S, I guess. Her and her husband Brian left and joined or started some kind of an Indie group. It was all very shocking at the time. These were the early Mayo days also. It was considered much, much worse to "squirrel" and join an indie group than to just get declared and become a bank robber or something. Becoming an indie was the worst possible thing you could do.

This was really beaten into my head. I was always surprised years after I got out how so many people became indies as a transition to getting out of Scientology altogether.
 
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Lulu Belle

Moonbat
Was Michael Silvermen a really tall man with dark hair balding on top?
Yeah, that was Michael. He kind of looked like Kramer from Seinfeld.

Yes, he was the card trick tour guy.

Management always had a love hate relationship with Michael, heavy on the hate. He was a huge attraction with the public. When he was on tour he could always pull people in. He would do these events with magic tricks and jokes and the crowd would just eat it up.

On the other side, the accounts folders of his public were a nightmare. In those days everything in the folder was done by hand by the reg. He would have these tiny rows of numbers in his undecipherable handwriting that wouldn't mean anything to anyone but him. He would have these strange ways of figuring that people were paid for things.

I don't know if the orgs offer packages any more, but in the old days everyone paid for their services in packages. So what you were paid for on your account depended on when you paid and what package you paid for at the time. Michael would have people who paid for stuff in 1979 who were in the org in 1989 and he would figure them to be paid for some huge block of services that wouldn't cover an intensive at 1989 rates. It was all very...funky.

Depending on what your job was, he was either awesome or a complete crook. In the late 80s his job was getting arrivals, not GI, and he would refigure everyone's account so that they were paid for something or a bunch of somethings so he could get them to arrive. This was when management started pushing "standard financing" and they were trying to get rid of packages altogether (don't know whether that ever worked) and he was always in trouble with the finance people.

He eventually got declared. Probably for around the third time. This one stuck, and he wound up moving to Canada where I hear he lived happily ever after Scientology free.
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
A story about Michael Silverman.

He was on the RPF two or three times when I was in before he got declared for good.

The first time I remember him being on, I was on too. I think it was 1984.

The RPF were doing renoes at what was then the ASI building on Hollywood Blvd. So there I am on the RPF at ASI with a paint scraper in my hand or something and in walks Michael in a three piece suit with a briefcase.

I'm thinking "what the fuck..."

It turns out that Battlefield Earth (the book) had just been released and they had all kinds of people assigned to go to bookstores or call stores on the phone to get them to carry the book and do window displays or whatever. Someone high on the food chain had gotten Michael pulled off the RPF to do "a special project" while on the RPF for this hot ASI deal.

Now, of course, anyone with two brain cells to rub together would figure "if he was non-destructive enough to do a project for ASI then it's probably safe to assume he could go back on his little post at AOLA..."

And, this is why, folks, service orgs NEVER personally put their staff on the RPF or take them out of the org for any reason (like a small decks stint) no matter how much they fuck up. It's always CMO or a mission or something that does it. Because the org KNOWS that this is the kind of shit that happens. As soon as they are not actually on post in the org they become fair game for some "hot project" or whatever and there's a good chance that project will turn into something permanent and the org will never be able to get them back.

I've told this story before but it's a fucking classic so I'll tell it again.

There was a guy named Chris who was the Cope Officer AOLA (HCO). He was a fuck up. Eventually the CO AOLA put him on the decks for like a two week cleanup. As soon as he was out of the org the CMO did a "utilization survey" on him, declared him unutilized, yanked him off of AOLA staff and sent him back in to AOLA on mission.

Un-fucking-believable.
 

Type4_PTS

Well-known member
Does anyone who was around AOLA during the 80's know Lin (or Lynn?) Hall, and know if she's still in these days? She had been the Chaplain there for some years.

I had become friends with her when she was assigned to the TTC and sent to Flag for training. I lost track of her though after I got RPF'ed/declared back in '89.
 

Paul Adams

(Dulloldfart on ESMB)
And, this is why, folks, service orgs NEVER personally put their staff on the RPF or take them out of the org for any reason (like a small decks stint) no matter how much they fuck up. It's always CMO or a mission or something that does it. Because the org KNOWS that this is the kind of shit that happens. As soon as they are not actually on post in the org they become fair game for some "hot project" or whatever and there's a good chance that project will turn into something permanent and the org will never be able to get them back.
Yep. That's how come I got ripped out of AOSHUK and spent the next 20 years in LA. Off post of damn good Solo-OT3 sup for no good reason, onto decks, hoovered up by RTC UK for some OSA Int project, vroom vroom to LA, sayonara Saint Hill.

I wasn't pleased at the time, but after a year appreciated the change and life experience.
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
Yep. That's how come I got ripped out of AOSHUK and spent the next 20 years in LA. Off post of damn good Solo-OT3 sup for no good reason, onto decks, hoovered up by RTC UK for some OSA Int project, vroom vroom to LA, sayonara Saint Hill.

I wasn't pleased at the time, but after a year appreciated the change and life experience.
That reminds me of another story. This was when I was brand new on staff. Maybe I had been there about six or eight months or so.

There were a lot of people being pulled up lines from the service orgs, most of them being ripped off. There was some guy who was one of the solo course sups. I don't remember his name.

Anyway, he was pulled up lines in the middle of the night. Just yanked right out of the org. Ivan was the CO at the time. He was there one day, and then just gone the next.

I don't think Ivan had any warning at all. I remember he was absolutely furious.
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
Does anyone who was around AOLA during the 80's know Lin (or Lynn?) Hall, and know if she's still in these days? She had been the Chaplain there for some years.

I had become friends with her when she was assigned to the TTC and sent to Flag for training. I lost track of her though after I got RPF'ed/declared back in '89.
I remember Lynn. Kind of short sort of stocky woman with blond hair. Sort of a southern accent.

I'm not sure where I remember this from, but her and her husband Ken Hall bought a house near the Flag Land Base. She's obviously off staff, but still in Scientology. At least she was at the time I remember this. Probably the early part of 2000.
 
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