Silent Disconnection

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
They have been in for over 20 years now and they are still hard core. They make living by selling scientology. I don't think they could quit even if they wanted to.
It's quite hard for a professional FSM to walk away, because they would have to be able to admit to themselves, not just that they fell for a scam, but that they spent their lives scamming people out of their money for a fraud.

But they CAN quit. Just because quitting would result in (hopefully short-term) financial hardship doesn't make it impossible.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
First, they would have to want to. I won't be the one saying anything to them since I have to respect their choices and even if I said something, guess what - they would disconnect. It's a dead end.
It all comes down to a choice of what's most important to them, Scientology or you. Accept the choice, difficult as it may be, and move on.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
First, they would have to want to. I won't be the one saying anything to them since I have to respect their choices and even if I said something, guess what - they would disconnect. It's a dead end.
Before anything happens, be very sure they will always have a way to reach you, preferably multiple ways, and that those ways to reach you are kept open over the years. People who get out, or get thrown out, will want a life-line at that point.
 

Out Ethics

Well-known member
What I have observed over the years is that people leave scientology when a personal crisis becomes so demanding that it brings the needed courage to make a change. When the inherent injustices are so overwhelming that it feels life and death almost. Luckily scientology tends to provide these scenarios readily, Comm Evs, KRs, idiotic pressure and manipulation. The more hard core, the bigger the crisis needs to be, yet surprisingly people that you never thought would leave, do. Until then you have done the right thing by protecting yourself.
:clap:What you have observed, IS Scientology, Free to shine.
We can all count on the fact that Scientology injustices are SOP and yes, they are overwhelming, they feel like life and death and Scientology provides them readily to everyone; public, staff and Sea Org.

The degree of how you will tolerate the injustices is based on how much you have woven Scientology around your life. If you have family in, money on account, signed contracts and most importantly BELIEVE Scientology is the only path to spiritual freedom, will determine how long you will tolerate the injustices and sweep them under the carpet. THEY are the bars on the prison you are in, in your mind. The bars are held in place if the merchant of chaos and fear, Scientology, has you in a state of fear. They will feed you Scientology propaganda to keep you in fear and get up the Bridge. Fear is a driving force in Scientology.

Some of the ways Scientology technology and policies accomplish this? Scientology drives staff and Sea Org to chart statistics of their "products" each week. Scientology rewards the Scientologists who is actually a trained criminal, to bankrupt other members with the Hard Sell regging techniques. "Hands off" the staff whose statistics are up ( no Ethic handlings - which is what every Scientologist staff member wants).
This opens the door to some pretty vicious regging and such policies turn perfectly nice, normal, ethical and moral human beings into criminals who will drain the last dime off of a trusting Scientologist who is under the influence.

Think of the young registrars that impinge into people's financial affairs and hard sell them into bankruptcy where many lose their homes and are utterly ruined financially. Most OT's file bankruptcy. The OT's understand that not telling other Scientologists about their financial ruin is policy. It is OUT PR. That down statistic for the OT is cleverly hidden from other cult members via the implanted policies of LRH. Cult members are not allowed to discuss their case. They are not allowed to complain about Scientology or Scientologists. This is how Scientology Keeps Working. No one knows the truth about each other. They just keep smiling and selling Scientology in spite of the disaster they all live in.
 
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Dex G

Member
When I was a staff member, I could never agree with the SP declares and disconnections that I was aware of. It felt cruel and unfair, and I occasionally got reprimanded for openly being friendly with people who were not supposed to be spoken with. After I left the C of S, my ex got hold of my PC folders, culled them for anything disreputable- O/W's, confessionals, etc, and told these to our children. Geoffrey was in my care through his last years suffering and struggling with cancer, while she only occasionally showed up to visit him when he was in the hospital, and after he passed and I made the funeral service arrangements, then she sent me a disconnection letter. Not a big deal for me, as she never made herself comfortable to talk with, but I do wish she cared enough about our surviving son not to burden him with the emotional disturbance of having parents who would never even speak to each other. Like it wasn't enough that we watched his brother take his last breath and die. I believe that while The C of S indoctrinates and imposes such behavior, that doesn't completely absolve anyone for their choices.
 

Out Ethics

Well-known member
I agree with you on everything but this. I don't believe that "most" OTs file bankruptcy. Some do that's for sure, but most? No, not most.

The facts are bad enough without having to exaggerate them.
You are right. I am guilty as charged! I should have reworded it
Many OT’s as well as Scientologists experience deep debt and financial ruin
And file bankruptcy.

There are only a few OT’s from our Org and they are broke, in deep debt, and have lost homes to foreclosure and filed bankruptcy. A few of them have not YET but they have been on levels for many years going to FLAG. It will come. It seems to be SOP.
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
It's quite hard for a professional FSM to walk away, because they would have to be able to admit to themselves, not just that they fell for a scam, but that they spent their lives scamming people out of their money for a fraud.

I'm actually surprised that there still are Professional FSMs.

Are there enough public still buying services that a Pro FSM can support him/herself?

Also, I figured DM would have screwed with the FSM commission system by now. Since he fucked up book commissions, FSMs selling training awards, staff up the Bridge awards, and pretty much everything else where a staff member, FSM or field auditor might get some kind of personal benefit.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
There are only a few OT’s from our Org and they are broke, in deep debt, and have lost homes to foreclosure and filed bankruptcy. A few of them have not YET but they have been on levels for many years going to FLAG. It will come. It seems to be SOP.
OT7 seems calculated to accomplish this, due to the long and expensive six months checks, plus the insistence on improving your IAS status, or else risk "issues" that might impair your being allowed to stay on the level.

With other OT levels, you could stay under the radar, accumulate cash, buy the levels, go out and do them, then return home and disappear from the regges until you've dug yourself back out, financially.
 

Out Ethics

Well-known member
OT7 seems calculated to accomplish this, due to the long and expensive six months checks, plus the insistence on improving your IAS status, or else risk "issues" that might impair your being allowed to stay on the level.

With other OT levels, you could stay under the radar, accumulate cash, buy the levels, go out and do them, then return home and disappear from the regges until you've dug yourself back out, financially.
They have weeded out most OT’s to go up the Bridge. Those in hiding are most likely out and won’t be back. They looked!
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
They have weeded out most OT’s to go up the Bridge. Those in hiding are most likely out and won’t be back. They looked!
I spent years in the state of "submarine Scientologist" (live too far from an org for them to bother me, surface when I was in the mode to do the next Bridge action, then "dive-dive-dive!" for a year or two)
 

freethinker

Controversial
I'm actually surprised that there still are Professional FSMs.

Are there enough public still buying services that a Pro FSM can support him/herself?

Also, I figured DM would have screwed with the FSM commission system by now. Since he fucked up book commissions, FSMs selling training awards, staff up the Bridge awards, and pretty much everything else where a staff member, FSM or field auditor might get some kind of personal benefit.
He may have one brain cell left.
 

exesso

Bitter Apostate
Well, my disconnection story is nowhere near as heart wrenching as those who were in, but it was shocking just by how quickly and abruptly it happened.

I got onto the blogs and ESMB1 around 2013 whilst figuring out the craziness surrounding my hubby's Scio employer. My eldest son’s (24 now) close friend had been crashing at our house a lot when he was working on the road. So though we lived an hour apart, he was coming over bi-weekly much of the time and even if I was the only one home, he’d sit and talk to me about life as he had since he was 11-12yrs old. (My bonus son... he’d been through a lot, Dx’d as ADHD and poss bipolar as a teen, family a dysfunctional mess so he’d “run away” then always show up at our place.)

Well one day he confided in me that his girlfriend of a year was a scientologist. He’d seen and heard what we went through with hubby’s ex-employer and said it was “batshit crazy!” I’d told him before how much of it was very typical to scientology. So he knew it was a big deal. I’d shown him the websites before and he was intrigued.

But anyway, back to our talk... I told him I knew they were getting serious and because I’d spoken out publicly (I posted things on my FB after all that happened to us and a few of hubby’s former coworkers and boss’ wife saw them - and that’s while we were still in Orange County living near him. His GF’s family is multi-generation scio in the LA area) if he got involved, they’d make him disconnect. I also warned him that her family was not going to be ok with him continuing at our old church and not getting involved w/co$. He said, “That’ll never happen, they know and love me and you’re my second mom, so don’t even worry about THAT!” So our conversation concluded with me talking about a few articles and my sending him the links via text.

In following months we’d see him less and less. Though he did come out with his girlfriend for one visit and everything was normal/fun. Then suddenly he went totally silent. I tried texting to see when we’d see him next and nothing. I ended up in the hospital and still nada - his mom and sister both came to see me and when I’d ask about him they’d get weird.

After total radio silence for over a month, I asked his family point blank if he was upset with me about something. (I hadn’t mentioned scientology since that last talk, either.) They told me he wasn’t interacting with a lot of people and was suddenly up in LA at his girlfriends house a lot and pretty much living there. I asked if he got involved in co$ with his GF. His mom said she thought so and his sister admitted he’d talked about them getting him to take out a loan for a $2-3k to do this “detox thing with a sauna” and some classes. But they also said his gf signed up to be a counselor (auditor) and she was not home much so he wanted to be around up there to see her. Mind you, these two were 19 & 20 at the time. So essentially, I knew that he’d been involved since shortly after we spoke, gotten involved eyes-open, done his Purif and Life Repair (along with other classes they didn’t know the name of, started working for a Scientologist AND disconnected all in the space of 3-4mos. It was jarring!

I wrote him a very direct text telling him I know he was disconnecting from me and I was baffled as just months prior he’d said that would never happen. I reminded him I’d always be here when he got out, I love him and that if what I showed him before wasn’t true, then why was he taking out loans and disconnection just months later? And if my info was right about those two things, at some point he’d need to face the fact the other stuff (abuse, it being a big con, etc.) was just as true.

It’s now been about 4yrs. He’s got a child now. Interestingly he left the scio employer, they moved out and moved to an area at least an hour from the nearest org and haven’t been involved. She hasn’t gone back to work as an auditor either. From what I hear they don’t see her family a TON and are now seeing his much more again. They got some hand-me-downs from me when the baby came, it was unsaid where they came from but they knew... then someone sent them a small gift without a card and they asked if it was me and asked how I was.

They haven’t and won’t vaccinate their child and hold onto many of the beliefs, but are living in the “Wog” world for the most part. I’ve heard her family is prominent (she’s 3rd gen... parents and grandparents are in, Grandparents are HARD CORE) so my guess is they’re distancing themselves but being careful so they can be in contact w/her family. I have hope we’ll reconnect in the future... but it’s scary how insidious it is, even for someone young and vulnerable but who has the information that we’d think would inoculate most from joining.

I’ve sent things for the baby, they’re accepted and no one mentions who they’re from... “A friend sent this to you and said to let you know baby’s gorgeous and you’re missed” and nothings been refused/sent back. So I just hope that precious little baby that seemed to be the impetus for their distancing themselves from the cult will cause them to eventually be brave enough to fully walk away, but in the meantime, I’m at least relieved they’re not actively involved or working there now.
Its amazing how having a child changes everything. I was willing to put up with a lot of abuse and insanity when it was just me. As soon as we had a kiddo to raise and protect, the only answer was OUT.
Looks like they are on the road back to you. I hope they will be fully back in touch and sharing their lives with you again soon.
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
Its amazing how having a child changes everything. I was willing to put up with a lot of abuse and insanity when it was just me. As soon as we had a kiddo to raise and protect, the only answer was OUT.
Looks like they are on the road back to you. I hope they will be fully back in touch and sharing their lives with you again soon.

Hey, I'm assuming you're...ex-SO.

I see it's your first post. Welcome!

I noticed your name because "exesso" was part of an old email address I had when I first got out.
 

exesso

Bitter Apostate
Hey, I'm assuming you're...ex-SO.

I see it's your first post. Welcome!

I noticed your name because "exesso" was part of an old email address I had when I first got out.
Indeed! I was in the SO for a good chunk of time including a little over a year on the RPF. Thanks for the welcome. I used to be on version 1.0 of the forum, though mostly as a lurker. I think I MIGHT have posted about 30 times over the course of a few years.
Interesting about your old email address. Guess I’m not as original as I thought! 😜
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
Indeed! I was in the SO for a good chunk of time including a little over a year on the RPF. Thanks for the welcome. I used to be on version 1.0 of the forum, though mostly as a lurker. I think I MIGHT have posted about 30 times over the course of a few years.
Interesting about your old email address. Guess I’m not as original as I thought! 😜

Anything more you want to share? Where were you in the SO, if you don't mind me asking?

We may know each other.
 
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