Sea Org Food

onceuponatime

Well-known member
I find the story of his extravaganzas very believable. Its already baked into the sea org way of thinking, officers mess and all that.

I'm sure they keep the numbers who know as small as possible. And I'm sure those in the know get perks that they wouldn't want to give up (if 4 meals are being prepared for him someone else eats whatever he doesn't, I'm sure of it).
 

Xenu Xenu Xenu

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I find the story of his extravaganzas very believable. Its already baked into the sea org way of thinking, officers mess and all that.

I'm sure they keep the numbers who know as small as possible. And I'm sure those in the know get perks that they wouldn't want to give up (if 4 meals are being prepared for him someone else eats whatever he doesn't, I'm sure of it).
Agreed. I mean, there are the stories of Miscavige gambling with Hubbard's cash in the casinos and others either participating or at the very least aware of this going on. The tacit attitude of a little bending or breaking of the rules in groups is not exactly unknown. It is the stuff of newspaper stories and you have probably seen it yourself in your life. This was already established while Hubbard was alive. People justify lots of things that are contradictions or are clearly unfair or lies.

Remember all the loyal Scientologists who handled suitcase after suitcase of Hubbard's cash ready for deposit in Swiss bank accounts. You know they read at one time Hubbard's claim that he never made a cent from Scientology. How do they justify it? I don't know but I know that they do.

In some ways it sounds like a Hollywood movie and I suspect all cults are like that. It is as if I knew this all along which depresses me more than anything else because it is like seeing the same old bad movie again and again.
 

marra

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I just don't buy this, sorry. How would it go on, if no Sea Org members knew about it? I can understand outer org staff (such as those at the org I was at) not knowing the score, but there isn't any way I can see that DM could carry on living high off the hog without it being known to some people in the Sea Org. Even if he brought in a totally independent, private catering crew, someone in the SO would have oversight of the monies paid out to them.
The people who know about it are those who are closest to DM and therefore they are either too scared to attempt to leave or are physically unable to do so. Look at all the escape stories - Marty Rathbun, Ron Miscavige, Marc and Claire Headley, Valerie Haney. These are all people who knew what DM was doing but they had to find a way to escape. There must be many more who have either failed to escape or who are too scared to attempt it.
 

La La Lou Lou

Well-known member
No, but I'm not going to assert anything without either evidence or the testimony of reliable witnesses. What use he's clearly making of the funds entrusted to him by his parishioners is enough to indict him without inventing anything else.
Shame, it would be great to have some concrete evidence for his crimes, stuff that would stand up in court.
 

La La Lou Lou

Well-known member
Having seen the list of luxury gifts Hubbard wanted for Christmas I can imagine the greed DM would have just by following his lead. Hubbard's list included top end motor bikes and vehicles, valuable works of art, everything top end, and it seems he got what he wanted. Even at the time I was a cold-hearted no-sympathy sea org member Hubbard's requesting luxuries from the orgs that couldn't afford to pay it's staff anything like a living wage seemed self indulgent and utterly wrong.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
I just don't buy this, sorry. How would it go on, if no Sea Org members knew about it? I can understand outer org staff (such as those at the org I was at) not knowing the score, but there isn't any way I can see that DM could carry on living high off the hog without it being known to some people in the Sea Org. Even if he brought in a totally independent, private catering crew, someone in the SO would have oversight of the monies paid out to them.
It's not that some SO people don't know it. They are just strongly discouraged from talking about it.

LRH also lived lavishly at times. It was not a subject for open discussion.

I remember being at Flag as public, after having left the SO. The reg at one point tried to overcome my resistance by asking "Do you feel your exchange is in with LRH?"

The thought I had was that my payments (among others) allowed LRH to live lavishly, with cute Messengers surrounding him to cater to him. But I was not stupid enough to say that.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
Remember all the loyal Scientologists who handled suitcase after suitcase of Hubbard's cash ready for deposit in Swiss bank accounts. You know they read at one time Hubbard's claim that he never made a cent from Scientology. How do they justify it? I don't know but I know that they do
One of my friends was one of those people.

In LA, he was handed a bag and told to deliver it to a particular office in a particular building. It was a branch of a Swiss bank. Well, not really a branch. All they were there for, was to accept deposits from certain customers, they were not really a branch under US banking laws, the guy there explained.
 

Karakorum

Broke ranks over 10 years ago, never looked back
First is pay. I do not have specifics on the exact amount that DM is paid on a weekly basis. I do know that when I was in RTC I was stunned to receive a Christmas bonus of over $300
If anyone here is wondering - that was certainly NOT the experience you had if you were in continental management. I've never seen that kind of money.

You can ask Chris Shelton, he was at a similar level in continental management, but I'm sure he will say the same thing as me.

He should have his bits removed (very slowly) for eating foie gras, the appalling cruelty involved has no justification at all.
Agreed. The process is actually banned here and in most post-soviet and ex-communist countries, as it is regarded as cruelty to animals.

I'm probably beating a dead horse, but it annoys me that West Europeans look down on us and always assume that we are backwards savages and that animal rights here are grossly inferior to the western ones. In fact, it is often the opposite.

There are lots of stories of RPF who worked in the galley (food kitchen) at PAC in the 70s and 80s talking about cleaning the nasty grease and all the rats in the ceilings.
(...) The kitchen was always short of cleaning crew so were periodically assigned the RPF for the filthy jobs.
I was sent to work in the galley at PAC as punishment in the 2000s ( not on the RPF and it was a short stint). The grease problem was still there, though to be honest I have not observed any rats.

I remember a sea org member telling me DM lived in sea org accommodation the same as every other sea org member. That's how they keep the scam going, by keeping the truth hidden
When I was in the SO at PAC, I was under the impression that he must enjoy higher standards of living than us regular SO schmucks. I mean I realized that much just by looking at his shoes the he would wear to some events.

However, I was not aware of the extent of the luxury he had. I was thinking he lives like a moderately well-off manager in a civilian company. In fact it seems more like a top LA actor or a Saudi sheik.

I can only think that some people know the score and that the idea is to keep the number of people who know at a bare minimum. Those who do know are told that Dave works so hard for Scientology and that this is deserved. Those who do know also find ways to agree with it all and make it "all right" in their heads. They are culties after all. That would then leave a very small few including Miscavige who know what a scam it is and who enjoy all the comforts and perks that come with being at the very top of a money making cult.
I knew he wasn't living as every other SO member, just wasn't aware of the extent. I never really tried to "make it alright" in my head, I always felt like he was too flashy and too big for his goddamn boots and spending away cash that was better spent elsewhere.
I'm sure many other people had similar impressions, but were too scared to admit it, or they just felt the church is more important than that and Davey is a necessary evil.

... however, that's just my opinion. Remember that this is coming from a person who in his last years in the SO was actively trying to plan a coup. So I might not be wholly representative of the rank and file. :D
 
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Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
I was sent to work in the galley at PAC as punishment in the 2000s ( not on the RPF and it was a short stint). The grease problem was still there, though to be honest I have not observed any rats.
I know a guy who had a business doing grease cleaning for restaurants. It's something with its own "tech", tools, and special chemicals when you are operating at a commercial scale. It's not surprising that its something not generally done well, or even at all, with overworked, under-trained, SO members.
 

Cat's Squirrel

Well-known member
Having seen the list of luxury gifts Hubbard wanted for Christmas I can imagine the greed DM would have just by following his lead. Hubbard's list included top end motor bikes and vehicles, valuable works of art, everything top end, and it seems he got what he wanted. Even at the time I was a cold-hearted no-sympathy sea org member Hubbard's requesting luxuries from the orgs that couldn't afford to pay it's staff anything like a living wage seemed self indulgent and utterly wrong.
Yes, I remember Stratty when he was here saying that everyone in the SO had to stump up for a new Hasselblad (a high-end Swedish camera) for Hubbard when he already had several. From what I gather, DM's lifestyle is more sybaritic in general than Hubbard's was though.
 

Karakorum

Broke ranks over 10 years ago, never looked back
That's because he has a Ron Hubbard blow up doll to keep him warm.
I think every org needs a 1:1 Ron Hubbard mannequin dressed in full naval regalia standing just by the entrance, hand raised in greeting, kool cig in mouth.
 

The_Fixer

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Yes, I remember Stratty when he was here saying that everyone in the SO had to stump up for a new Hasselblad (a high-end Swedish camera) for Hubbard when he already had several. From what I gather, DM's lifestyle is more sybaritic in general than Hubbard's was though.
Stratty still not around?
 
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