Positive trance (altered) states

Veda

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Do you have a favorite method?
That's complicated question.

Firstly, normal waking consciousness is a sort of trance state.

My exploration of extreme lucid "dreaming," many years ago, where I was awake while the body was asleep,
produced extraordinary states of consciousness. That also was trance state, of sort.

Once one leaves a particular "trance" state, and enters a normal waking consciousnesses (another trance state), it s easy to forget the extraordinary experiences one experienced during the previous trace state.

Hindu paintings feature beings with many arms. Could they be showing beings with simultaneous awareness multiple "planes"? (degrees of rarification)? (As humans we are usually limited to awareness of one "plane" at a time.)

This is a very incomplete answer. It's a very big subject.


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That's complicated question.

Firstly, normal waking consciousness is a sort of trance state.

My exploration of extreme lucid "dreaming," many years ago, where I was awake while the body was asleep,
produced extraordinary states of consciousness. That also was trance state, of sort.

Once one leaves a particular "trance" state, and enters a normal waking consciousnesses (another trance state), it s easy to forget the extraordinary experiences one experienced during the previous trace state.

Hindu paintings feature beings with many arms. Could they be showing beings with simultaneous awareness multiple "planes"? (degrees of rarification)? (As humans we are usually limited to awareness of one "plane" at a time.)

This is a very incomplete answer. It's a very big subject.


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This is a very good and interesting link that explains what the multiple arms mean in Hinduism.


There is certainly the concept of relative time or relative motion. It could be that when not in view, they are in alternate or parallel worlds or planes. The multiple arms only display when in battle with cosmic forces.
 

Veda

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This is a very good and interesting link that explains what the multiple arms mean in Hinduism.


There is certainly the concept of relative time or relative motion. It could be that when not in view, they are in alternate or parallel worlds or planes. The multiple arms only display when in battle with cosmic forces.
Much appreciation for the link.

I first became aware of the "many arms" manifestation, many decades ago - while lucid (awake) "dreaming," and also astral traveling - when returning to the physical body and, then, momentarily, having the experience of having two sets of arms for a few seconds.
 

PirateAndBum

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Why did you stop lucid dreaming and astral traveling?
 

Veda

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Why did you stop lucid dreaming and astral traveling?
I experimented with it for about five years and then stopped, having explored that realm thoroughly.

I am not advocating any explanation for these experiences. They happened and it was very real, and I was consciously in control.

The spiritualists and materialists can argue.

The mind (and perhaps all living things, including micro-organisms - see the Russian research) have capabilities beyond what is now recognized.

As far as I know, there is no practical application for these not understood abilities.

It is, IMO, an area worthy of further exploration.
 

PirateAndBum

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@Veda were your astral travels anything like those described by Robert Monroe?
 

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I have had 2 or 3 lucid dreams in my life. It's no big deal.
I don't know why some people think lucid dreams are so significant.
 

freethinker

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That's complicated question.

Firstly, normal waking consciousness is a sort of trance state.

My exploration of extreme lucid "dreaming," many years ago, where I was awake while the body was asleep,
produced extraordinary states of consciousness. That also was trance state, of sort.

Once one leaves a particular "trance" state, and enters a normal waking consciousnesses (another trance state), it s easy to forget the extraordinary experiences one experienced during the previous trace state.

Hindu paintings feature beings with many arms. Could they be showing beings with simultaneous awareness multiple "planes"? (degrees of rarification)? (As humans we are usually limited to awareness of one "plane" at a time.)

This is a very incomplete answer. It's a very big subject.


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Your answer is in the Bible. Is the Bible a 100% nothing in it is false sort of writing:? No. but the answer is still in there. Well, you say but the Bible has been altered so how can you know what is true and isn't? because it says , do not rely on your own understanding. Well, what the hell does that mean? It means don't rely on pre conceived notions of what it means. In other word's , don't believe what you are told, but what you can discern., What is discernment? It's the ability to understand the truth in the face of lies.

it's a perception above understanding, it's known as understanding truth. How do you understand truth amongst a pit of liars?: You have to deal in it to recognize it. Lies produce uncertainty. As Hubbard put it, stupidity is the Unknowness of consideration. That means you cannot think of the truth , but a lie. You cannot perceive the truth.
 
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