Philip Spickler March 6, 1931 - January 17, 2020

Hatshepsut

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Group serfacs are a very real thing. Some people called them memes, but online use of the word to mean internet memes of text and image sort of killed that. Anyway, serfacs can exist on any dynamic in this universe. Fixed ideas held by a group mind are difficult for an individual to resist. 1st dynamics are dominated by 3rd dynamics.

I am so glad I was out by '78. Ethics Officers/MAAs are an idiotic idea that have nothing to do with helping people. :)
I know exactly what you're saying. I've been involved in trying to deconstruct a game that I just realized was being cemented by a group. The misinformation and the cross copying of emotions strengthens the glue.

I got myself involved with a narcissist who 3rd partied me for years. I tried to ignore it, not wanting to get trapped in the energy of fighting back all the time. Big mistake as the intention was to nullify me and my ignoring it proved to be an incorrect solution.

I'll give an example using our Indians here in North America. We wrote the narrative. We were the more powerful. We were the winners. We overwhelmed brutally if they tried to fight back. We rewrote their history. We exaggerated and fabricated crimes against us. We assigned justifications and doled out punishments. We embroidered unsavory characteristics onto them. We did this en masse through newspapers and history books and film..... and by steady writing of letters to each other. This gave the meme, the beingness of a Plains indian. We successfully got anyone who thought of them to project it. And for the longest time, it was was their caste.

Now, I am trying to take apart the group agreements that overwhelmed the 1 D and all those flows which glue me down to a specific square, hrrrrmph.
 
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Hatshepsut

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I read the piece where Phil describes writing his own obituary. He's a funny guy.

This excerpt from Phil's dialogue is always the same for us too. . And how many wanted clarity on the subject from the day they walked into their local mission.

Over the years I had formed opinions about just what happens after body death, such as going to heaven (or somewhere else 🙂 ); reincarnating; returning to a vast pool of spiritual nothingness from which individual souls or spirits emerge . . . By the time I passed 8 decades, I was pleasantly uncertain as to what, if anything, came after dying. I philosophically settled for the idea that there would be either something or nothing. If there was to be something, I’d find out when the time came.
You almost have to agree to Not Know just to get your ticket into the human skin. Ding ding
 

Reyne Mayer

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Yes, there is some truth to this. We didn't get too far with this but I very well remember
thanks for that. i points to one of the things that i find very interesting when i can hear from old timers or dig through their accounts, that there were some reasons for what started out as conflict between LRH and the mission holders beginning the '70s -- it wasn't all just DM making up convenient accusations later.

anyway, this is a memorial thread so i don't want to drag it off the topic of the late Phil.
 

Hatshepsut

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Is. Above time tracks his existence persists. Hubbard talked a lot about exteriorizing from the body. There is also exteriorization from the physical universe. There are other universes, including what Hubbard called magic track. From outside of a universe its time track(s) can be seen. Magic track contains multiple pocket universes, including the so-called "between lives area". I prefer the Tibetan name: Bardo. It's much shorter. :)

IVy = International Viewpoints magazine. A bunch of ex-churchies just like this place. :)
I remember bouncing between a few of these. It's a lonely life as there arent' many around after each wipeout. The sad game for me was trying to round up the somnabulent, disembodied before the 'other' guys did. They liked to blank slate and rewrite the scripts. Each being is animating / running something in the millions of archetypes. And often these don't change much. My remote visio is always dim as if operating through a created theta body. There are very few team members around and you're a clumsy solo pilot doing a kinda FEMA mission.

I had wondered if my rescuer memories were of a pocket universe. I know I've hit a couple and folks can be jumbled around and it messes them up when trying to recover anything from a mind.

I think the Babylonian black magicians tried to hold the reins to this matrix. Maybe they had to war for it. But there definitely remain in place some ceilings and barriers you risk your life to permeate. Each time you fail, you dive into a re-organized substitute self after consequences re-enact against you. This is chronically what I've been getting even for..... with the gods I resent.
 
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Hatshepsut

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He's so from the 50s and 60s.


Phil said that 1965 was the year Scientology got secretive and serious. It must've been the earlier similar for 1982?


Phil says " A lot of things are solutions to problems." around 15 min marker above

"You could even look at human beings and say, What is a human being a solution to? What problem existed before human beings? (looking at Tatiana) I've said this before, being human or being a human being IS a solution to a problem."
 
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I M Dex

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He's so from the 50s and 60s.


Phil said that 1965 was the year Scientology got secretive and serious. It must've been the earlier similar for 1982?

I remember having a discussion with Phil about how enraged Hubbard was in 1965 when he wrote "Keeping Scientology Working", basically a manifesto ridden with lies, 10 different ways of saying "thou shalt take no other god but me" intended to engineer a subliminal association with the ten commandments (my view, not necessarily exactly Phil's). Several of Hubbard's most valuable contributors were getting out from under his autocratic thumb to plant their own flags and taking customers with them. "KSW"'s message was that only Hubbard's brew could be safely imbibed, everybody had to stick purely to him and absolutely reject all other brands. Not uncoincidentally, 1965 was also when Hubbard twisted John McMasters' research to invent "PTS-SP" dogma to label all those who left to establish their own ways of practice "SP's" and their adherents "PTS".
 

Hatshepsut

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Something happened to shift into an unwillingness to accept contributors.

I was shocked back in 75, when my 2D said he'd helped develop the CCHs along with LRH Jr. I said Whaaaaaat? Nobody else is source of the technology. Then, I saw processes assisted by Jan Halpern etc.

The 3 S&Ds were a bit of genius! But I think back then, folks were less super identified with the physical. Much of Hubbards audience was weaned on Blavatsky. They were less tethered and used to frequent death and frequent wars. Today, many live forever and our world has never been more full of daily pleasures.


Then and Now Solids was another process which bit, like the Six Directions processes. They could both hit center.

 
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Ed8

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I remember bouncing between a few of these. It's a lonely life as there arent' many around after each wipeout. The sad game for me was trying to round up the somnabulent, disembodied before the 'other' guys did. They liked to blank slate and rewrite the scripts. Each being is animating / running something in the millions of archetypes.
There's a Buddhist sutta in the Pali language which describes how Gotamo woke up. At one stage he saw all of his past lives; then he next saw all the archetypes and scripts (in scientologese: Terminals) of everyone else.
 

Hatshepsut

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Which Hindu master told his student it was a hopeless task..... trying to fully untangle the infinite associations and interminglings of karma which lead to this present.
 

Hatshepsut

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Phil didn’t write the faux obit. It says the person’s name at the top. He just posted on his blog.
OK. I went back and reread it. Thanks. It just sounded like something Phil Spickler would write and my mind just took off with it, by mistake. :)

 

Reyne Mayer

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But I think back then, folks were less super identified with the physical. Much of Hubbards audience was weaned on Blavatsky.
maybe the original audience in the '50s, who from what i can tell were more often around Hubbard's age. but by the mid '60s was it mostly young baby boomers -- 2 generations younger -- who as 'seekers' might have read newer works like Siddhartha or Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, but who could easily be sold things like recycled late 19th century New Thought and Theosophy as new ideas without recognizing the actual, original sources?
 

vegan3

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This googled up saying Phil left at the same time as the others. According to the Ron Jr. videos I posted in the LRH thread, Ron had a history of violently overthrowing his groups all the way along (money/control). Ron Jr. was the thug for dad back in the 50’s.

 
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vegan3

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November 2018


We have another classic for you this week in our ‘Scientology Lit’ series — a chapter from Bent Corydon’s landmark 1987 book, L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman? Bent was a mission holder in Riverside, California who lost his mission but fought successfully to hold on to the building it was in. He also had to fight litigation from the church over his book, and also had to deal with his co-writer, L. Ron Hubbard Jr., pulling one of his flip-flops and turning on him. We chose a chapter that features Bent himself, talking about the drama of the infamous 1982 Mission Holder’s conference in San Francisco, when a young David Miscavige began to exert his authority on behalf of Hubbard, who was in hiding at the time. The SF conference came ten months after a Florida meeting when the Mission Holders had voiced their concerns about the increasingly heavy-handed methods of Hubbard’s new young lieutenants…

With these instant expulsions out of the way, Miscavige strutted. He had delivered Hubbard’s retaliation for our “mutiny” 10 months previously in Florida! The Saviour’s revenge was sweet.

Larry Heller, a Church attorney, was introduced by Miscavige and dutifully lectured us on copyrights and trademarks. The underlying message was that we might have been bold enough to assert our views in Florida, but now that we had signed the new SMI “contract” we would be thrown in jail if we didn’t respect the kids’ authority and toe Hubbard’s line.


Homer Schomer told me that he saw a note from Hubbard which told these guys:

Congratulations on your handling of these franchise holders. As far as I’m concerned you can get rid of all of them. We don’t need them!
edit: mark and janis were just talking about this from a question in their last video. they think that because LRH was being given bad/incorrect info, that led to the massacre. idk but Ron Jr. said this was LRH's SOP in the 50's.
 
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vegan3

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this email definitely belongs in the phil thread!


Farewell to ASHO (a response to Alan Walter)
by Phil Spickler
18 Aug 99

Dear Alan,

In response to your request for information regarding the exodus of numerous tech terminals from ASHO that I think took place in the late summer or early fall of 1969, I hereby present the following recalls.

I think it was sometime early in 1969 that the chilling information arrived at ASHO stating that in the future, the then-College of Scientology in Los Angeles was to become a Sea Organization organization. Prior status of that organization known as ASHO was that of a non-Sea Organization org that was in the business of delivering, on the training side, everything up through Class VI, the Briefing Course and Class VII, and on the auditing side of the Grade Chart everything up through Grade VI and the Solo Course.

And it was a pretty fun place, as you know, since your missions, as feeder groups, had a lot to do with making it the upstat place that it was. Back to the story:

Along with the news that ASHO was to become a Sea Organization org, with all the paramilitary uniforms and that whole schtick, came an offer to the existing ASHO staff which went something like this: We'd love to have you join the Sea Org when the conversion occurs, but if you don't,you may leave, and we wish you well in whatever you're going to do next. Sounded pretty friendly at the time. And some of us really didn't think that what Jehovah Hubbard really meant in that message was, "I need you! Stay where you are and join the Sea Org, or I'll kill you." More on the killing later.

(more in link)

Now the original ethics order was signed by none other than Nate Jessup, who at that time was Commodore Staff IV, which on the Org Board made him grand master of tech worldwide. It wasn't until around 1975, having become good buddies with Artie Maren, then-director of PR for the US Guardian's Office, and having performed a rather noble and non-harmful act on behalf of that group, that Artie, in a fit of friendship, showed me the handwritten by LRH dispatch that ordered the execution of Malcolm Cheminais and Phil Spickler and ordered the Guardian's Office to issue it under Nate Jessup, C/S IV's, name. (my bold)

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now i'm wondering... was this the first time he mentioned this threat to their lives? surely he told malcolm when he found out in 1975. but afaik, malcolm stayed in until they all got cut loose in 1982. the newsletters show malcolm and phillida's wedding in the latter part of the 70's. officiated by her former BIL, peter rundberg. and mimi was still in well into the 80's!
 
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I M Dex

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this email definitely belongs in the phil thread!


Farewell to ASHO (a response to Alan Walter)
by Phil Spickler
18 Aug 99

Dear Alan,

In response to your request for information regarding the exodus of numerous tech terminals from ASHO that I think took place in the late summer or early fall of 1969, I hereby present the following recalls.

I think it was sometime early in 1969 that the chilling information arrived at ASHO stating that in the future, the then-College of Scientology in Los Angeles was to become a Sea Organization organization. Prior status of that organization known as ASHO was that of a non-Sea Organization org that was in the business of delivering, on the training side, everything up through Class VI, the Briefing Course and Class VII, and on the auditing side of the Grade Chart everything up through Grade VI and the Solo Course.

And it was a pretty fun place, as you know, since your missions, as feeder groups, had a lot to do with making it the upstat place that it was. Back to the story:

Along with the news that ASHO was to become a Sea Organization org, with all the paramilitary uniforms and that whole schtick, came an offer to the existing ASHO staff which went something like this: We'd love to have you join the Sea Org when the conversion occurs, but if you don't,you may leave, and we wish you well in whatever you're going to do next. Sounded pretty friendly at the time. And some of us really didn't think that what Jehovah Hubbard really meant in that message was, "I need you! Stay where you are and join the Sea Org, or I'll kill you." More on the killing later.

(more in link)

Now the original ethics order was signed by none other than Nate Jessup, who at that time was Commodore Staff IV, which on the Org Board made him grand master of tech worldwide. It wasn't until around 1975, having become good buddies with Artie Maren, then-director of PR for the US Guardian's Office, and having performed a rather noble and non-harmful act on behalf of that group, that Artie, in a fit of friendship, showed me the handwritten by LRH dispatch that ordered the execution of Malcolm Cheminais and Phil Spickler and ordered the Guardian's Office to issue it under Nate Jessup, C/S IV's, name. (my bold)
I knew Nate peripherally when I audited as paid noncontracted staff at CCNY, and his wife Laurie was the ED and my PC. Didn't know the history. I knew Nate's late, estranged (ex-Scn) brother Amos better, nice guy, spoke of Nate, who disconnected from him, as "my mother's son" with a wry smile. Phil and I were good friends, spent time together somewhat regularly before I moved out of Cali in 2016, and we stayed in touch by email until Julie informed me that he had passed.

 
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Reyne Mayer

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I think it was sometime early in 1969 that the chilling information arrived at ASHO stating that in the future, the then-College of Scientology in Los Angeles was to become a Sea Organization organization.
thanks for this.

digging into the history, CoS stats began a long downturn starting around '69, as documented in the 1979 ‘World out of Communication (WOOC)’ evaluation. i figured the primary cause was the fizzling out of the counterculture movement, which is considered to have peaked in '66-68. i knew that LRH sent his sea org out to the orgs and that ultimately disaffected a lot of people -- unleashing a totalitarian neofascist paramilitary on anti-authoritarian free spirits was probably not going to end well -- but i hadn't realized it happened this early and could have a lot to do with the AOLA stat crash the old man was complaining about in '70.
 

Ed8

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this email definitely belongs in the phil thread!


Farewell to ASHO (a response to Alan Walter)
by Phil Spickler
18 Aug 99

Dear Alan,

In response to your request for information regarding the exodus of numerous tech terminals from ASHO that I think took place in the late summer or early fall of 1969, I hereby present the following recalls.

I think it was sometime early in 1969 that the chilling information arrived at ASHO stating that in the future, the then-College of Scientology in Los Angeles was to become a Sea Organization organization. Prior status of that organization known as ASHO was that of a non-Sea Organization org that was in the business of delivering, on the training side, everything up through Class VI, the Briefing Course and Class VII, and on the auditing side of the Grade Chart everything up through Grade VI and the Solo Course.

And it was a pretty fun place, as you know, since your missions, as feeder groups, had a lot to do with making it the upstat place that it was. Back to the story:

Along with the news that ASHO was to become a Sea Organization org, with all the paramilitary uniforms and that whole schtick, came an offer to the existing ASHO staff which went something like this: We'd love to have you join the Sea Org when the conversion occurs, but if you don't,you may leave, and we wish you well in whatever you're going to do next. Sounded pretty friendly at the time. And some of us really didn't think that what Jehovah Hubbard really meant in that message was, "I need you! Stay where you are and join the Sea Org, or I'll kill you." More on the killing later.

(more in link)

Now the original ethics order was signed by none other than Nate Jessup, who at that time was Commodore Staff IV, which on the Org Board made him grand master of tech worldwide. It wasn't until around 1975, having become good buddies with Artie Maren, then-director of PR for the US Guardian's Office, and having performed a rather noble and non-harmful act on behalf of that group, that Artie, in a fit of friendship, showed me the handwritten by LRH dispatch that ordered the execution of Malcolm Cheminais and Phil Spickler and ordered the Guardian's Office to issue it under Nate Jessup, C/S IV's, name. (my bold)

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now i'm wondering... was this the first time he mentioned this threat to their lives? surely he told malcolm when he found out in 1975. but afaik, malcolm stayed in until they all got cut loose in 1982. the newsletters show malcolm and phillida's wedding in the latter part of the 70's. officiated by her former BIL, peter rundberg. and mimi was still in well into the 80's!
Early 69? No the news of ASHO's conversion to a Sea Org org came in late 68. This was soon after the Sea Org came in and basically fired everyone at the LA Org. The excuse I heard was that the LA Org staff were "hippies". Yes they were, and they provided a safe environment for PCs like myself. Yes I was there in late 68. So I was on lines at LA Org, then the Sea Organisms came in and destroyed LA Org. My response was to vote with my feet and I went on lines at ASHO instead to avoid the suppressive Sea Organisms. Then ASHO was destroyed next. I again voted with my feet and went on lines at the Seattle Org. When that went suppressive too (Dorothy Broaded can bite me) I saw there was no place to avoid these ubermilitant suppressives and my relations with scientology orgs became guarded, withholdy and cautiously hostile. The Sea Org is locked into terrible whole track dramatizations IMO.
Ed
 

I M Dex

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Early 69? No the news of ASHO's conversion to a Sea Org org came in late 68. This was soon after the Sea Org came in and basically fired everyone at the LA Org. The excuse I heard was that the LA Org staff were "hippies". Yes they were, and they provided a safe environment for PCs like myself. Yes I was there in late 68. So I was on lines at LA Org, then the Sea Organisms came in and destroyed LA Org. My response was to vote with my feet and I went on lines at ASHO instead to avoid the suppressive Sea Organisms. Then ASHO was destroyed next. I again voted with my feet and went on lines at the Seattle Org. When that went suppressive too (Dorothy Broaded can bite me) I saw there was no place to avoid these ubermilitant suppressives and my relations with scientology orgs became guarded, withholdy and cautiously hostile. The Sea Org is locked into terrible whole track dramatizations IMO.
Ed
They were what Hubbard wanted them to be, what Hubbard made them. He sought the high military command status he never could accomp-lish in the real world.
(Edit) Actually, that's not the entire explanation. Hubbard self-servingly gave his loyal indoctrinated stooges license to indulge in their worst attitudes and behaviors on his behalf.
 
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