Paris Org opening in April
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Isaac
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According to our beloved SP Apostate Alex:
the Paris Ideal Org aka Scientology’s Magical Miscavige Moment of grandstanding in front of his imprisoned minions to get attention
is April 6 2024
The building has been completed sitting vacant for a while cuz Scientology has no members
France knows Scientology is an evil human trafficking cult
No one will go in
the Paris Ideal Org aka Scientology’s Magical Miscavige Moment of grandstanding in front of his imprisoned minions to get attention
is April 6 2024
The building has been completed sitting vacant for a while cuz Scientology has no members
France knows Scientology is an evil human trafficking cult
No one will go in
Reyne Mayer
Pansexual Revolutionary
it seems their specific problem may be recruiting enough staff numbers to reach the huge quota that's supposed to be required for an org to be 'ideal' and read to boom.
lack of members is of course the underlying problem. and of course the orgs never boom, either....
La La Lou Lou
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But you're forgetting the golden age of admin. Paris will be recruiting lots of Olympic athletes and we will all be clear by the end of the year!
onceuponatime
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Alex said they only needed 85 to open, that seems low to me. Maybe it was 85 per org? 85 day 85 foundation? That seems more in line from what I've heard about Ideal orgs.
Speaking of ideal orgs and expansion, hasn't it been close to a month since some of the management teams fired home? I wonder how they're doing, I'm sure their orgs are St. Hill size by now. Surprising that we didn't hear about any new St. Hill size orgs at the birthday event, you'd think they would announce stuff like that. Time is an arbitrary so excuses like "they got back to the org a week ago" are reasonableness.
Speaking of ideal orgs and expansion, hasn't it been close to a month since some of the management teams fired home? I wonder how they're doing, I'm sure their orgs are St. Hill size by now. Surprising that we didn't hear about any new St. Hill size orgs at the birthday event, you'd think they would announce stuff like that. Time is an arbitrary so excuses like "they got back to the org a week ago" are reasonableness.
Reyne Mayer
Pansexual Revolutionary
my guess is that local orgs are now only required to recruit 85, with int management using sea org to backfill an equal amount and get to the original requirement of 170, at least on opening day. that and/or something involving the 'postulate contracts' we've heard about, where people sign up to staff but only to actually come (or only to come back, after just being there on opening day) when the newly 'ideal' org reaches a certain activity level deemed to require them -- which of course isn't going to happen....
onceuponatime
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Possibly, but I think my explanation of 85 each day and foundation makes more sense.
I haven't heard anything about SO members manning the new ideal orgs in large numbers. None of the others that just opened are manned largely by SO members. Yes, they have some SO members on some posts (FR, FBO, D/FBO, etc.) but it isn't like Columbus/KC. I think they would go back and undo Columbus/KC being manned by SO members if they could.
It also wouldn't make sense from what I know of the orgs. Paris wasn't/isn't a small org, they swallowed CC Paris (combined with them) not too long ago. For all the legal trouble Scientology has in France, Paris org did okay from what I've heard. If they opened Austin/Chicago without large SO teams I'm sure they can open Paris without a large SO team.
Reyne Mayer
Pansexual Revolutionary
here's the one photo i saw posted of the staff at the opening. looks to me like in the ballpark of 85 -- as if about half are off somewhere else (if they exist at all), whether it's 'postulate contracts' or training.
could it be they've decided 'ideal' orgs can open with 85 with the whole remainder 'postulated' to be recruit later once the org has boomed to the point when they're needed -- which is obviously not happening until the waters of Lake Michigan part and people start walking down from Canada....
i don't buy that there's never a photo of all the staff taken and it's always just day or foundation or some greatly reduced fraction of the number of bodies actually in the building every day.
onceuponatime
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Well you know how I feel about photos being accurate representations of staff/numbers. If that photo is about 85-90 people (I'm not going to count) I could easily see there being another 30 or so that are on staff but not pictured, staff members off training at other orgs, people not able to make the photo for whatever reason, etc.
A jump from 90 people to 160 would be too much and I'd doubt they have that many. But around 125? I could see that. It's hard to get a group of people together for a photo and Scientology isn't very organized, but they do usually do a pretty good job for this stuff.
And funny that I mentioned there not being large SO teams at the recent orgs, that front row looks like a lot of SO members to me, that's probably just the networks though, I imagine they would be up front.
Reyne Mayer
Pansexual Revolutionary
sure - that's the sort of possibility I mentioned elsewhere.
but somehow the 170 number has gone by the wayside or there is an unprecedented expansion of fudging (calling Hoaxie!)....
HelluvaHoax!
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The photo you posted is not exactly an accurate depiction of the size of staff.
Because that photo was an unauthorized picture taken by someone other than the official Scientology photographer. In fact that photo was taken 12-14 minutes before the muster's scheduled time and many staff were still eating or getting coffee.
Below you can see that with all staff duly mustered, they quite easily made their 170 Ideal Staff Member quota!
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onceuponatime
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I think 170 was never a real number, maybe they use it for promo to the flock. The real number has always been around 125. I think that's what most ideal orgs open with, some big ones might have more but if I see an org opening I assume they have about 125 staff, not 160-170. Of course they might have another 50 people who "on project prepare" "arriving soon" etc. but I'd bet most of those never make it.
Wow, with all the staff mustered that makes quite a difference! I'm sure this is the one they'll use in all their promo.The photo you posted is not exactly an accurate depiction of the size of staff.
Because that photo was an unauthorized picture taken by someone other than the official Scientology photographer. In fact that photo was taken 12-14 minutes before the muster's scheduled time and many staff were still eating or getting coffee.
Below you can see that with all staff duly mustered, they quite easily made their 170 Ideal Staff Member quota!
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Reyne Mayer
Pansexual Revolutionary
it still seems to me that over 100 would likely have been more obvious including a big block of them in the audience at the opening -- which was not to be seen. but i could see that including people who are in LA or at Flag doing something like training, and while not as nebulous as 'postulate contracts' still unlikely to actually end up showing up to staff that org.
they are claiming big numbers for Paris, though:
i tend to discount outright lying when it comes to numbers like that, but my guess is that in the tradition of Ron the war hero and Hollywood script writer, of stretching kernels of truth virtually beyond recognition, they are counting something like patio areas -- just like they do things such as counting as 'arrivals' people who sign up for something like the Freewinds but haven't shown up and might not actually in the end.
OOH LA LA: Scientology opens its ‘Ideal Org’ in Paris today and we’re on the scene!
[Today’s guest article is by Alexander Barnes-Ross]
onceuponatime
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I agree with you. I don't think they outright lie, at least not about numbers like this, but they get creative with how they count it. Do I think they have 183 names on the roster? Sure. Do I think all 183 show up for post every day? No I don't. I expect some are off on training, some are on LOAs for various reasons, some are people who signed but will never actually arrive, etc.it still seems to me that over 100 would likely have been more obvious including a big block of them in the audience at the opening -- which was not to be seen. but i could see that including people who are in LA or at Flag doing something like training, and while not as nebulous as 'postulate contracts' still unlikely to actually end up showing up to staff that org.
they are claiming big numbers for Paris, though:
i tend to discount outright lying when it comes to numbers like that, but my guess is that in the tradition of Ron the war hero and Hollywood script writer, of stretching kernels of truth virtually beyond recognition, they are counting something like patio areas -- just like they do things such as counting as 'arrivals' people who sign up for something like the Freewinds but haven't shown up and might not actually in the end.
OOH LA LA: Scientology opens its ‘Ideal Org’ in Paris today and we’re on the scene!
[Today’s guest article is by Alexander Barnes-Ross]tonyortega.substack.com
As I've mentioned elsewhere, Paris combined with CC Paris would be a bigger org. I'm not surprised the number from Paris are a lot higher than Austin/Chicago, and if anything I would expect Paris's numbers to be more accurate.