Overheard in the Freezone

[PirateAndBum]

Good to know... (pretty much)

“If you’re a big enough Thetan and you stay on the bridge, you will be like floating, your postulates creating anything you desire pretty much and you will be completely protected from any other SP’s invalidation. It’s a mystery why in other planets Thetans can destroy all the people on them. I projected myself in full color from all around a planet and reached down and tortured all the people just before getting implanted and coming here. So there must be some sort of ‘protection’ around this planet so other Thetans can’t do that here – maybe a force screen? But still creating MEST out of thin air here is not possible and is a mystery as of yet.”

 

[Veda]

Some attribution would be nice.

 

[Enthetan]

Scratching my head. How do they do call-in and body routing?

The way it could have worked is

1. Trained and processed Scientologist is seen as doing exceptionally well in life by his peers, who ask him for advice on how to also do well
2. Scientologist routes them to auditor, who processes them
3. All their friends see an improvement in ability, and excitedly ask how they can also get some Scientology
4. repeat from (2)

The thing is, Scientology needs to demonstrably WORK and PRODUCE readily observable RESULTS for the above approach to bear fruit.

The fact that the above approach is unworkable, serves as objective proof that Scientology doesn't work, piercing all delusions to the contrary.

 

[PirateAndBum]

Some attribution would be nice.

All these quotes are from Ortega's "Overheard in the Freezone" section of his blog posts. He does not attribute where they come from. My guess is they are from Facebook groups.

 

[Veda]

All these quotes are from Ortega's "Overheard in the Freezone" section of his blog posts. He does not attribute where they come from. My guess is they are from Facebook groups.

Already knew it came from Tony Ortega. Some of these "overheard" blurbs sound contrived.

Kooky stuff with no attribution? Too much like trolling.

I'd classify it with Q Anon stuff as junk information.

Don't take it personally. I know you get a kick out of it, but it's not my cup of tea.

 

[PirateAndBum]

Finally someone has figured out DM's number. How refreshing.

“I am pro-David Miscavige, the leader of the Church of Scientology. I used to be anti-him, but since he has called in Scientologists and secretly briefed them on the Covid scam, I now believe he is a good person but just sometimes loses control of his anger problem. I think he’s a good person who means well, and I’m so proud that he is anti-Covid. He’s not a scumbag communist member of the new world order. He’s anti-communism, and good on him. And maybe the bad things he’s done is because he had so much pressure from the world socialists to corrupt and shut down Scientology, which they hate. I hope the church can survive during these tough times. Scientology opens minds, not closes them, like the effing socialist world government and its education and media system does. This is why Scientology has been attacked for many years. Go, David. I’m with you.”

 

[PirateAndBum]

Already knew it came from Tony Ortega. Some of these "overheard" blurbs sound contrived.

Kooky stuff with no attribution? Too much like trolling.

I'd classify it with Q Anon stuff as junk information.

Don't take it personally. I know you get a kick out of it, but it's not my cup of tea.

It does sound unbelievable, but I don't doubt that people write this kind of stuff for real.

@TheSneakster seems to agree with you. Hey sneaks do you read many of the scientology groups on FaceBook? Have you seen any of these posts in your travels in the zone?

 

[Veda]

It does sound unbelievable,

Lots of stuff, "Scientology OT Success Stories," etc. are goofy, silly, or unbelievable. But somebody actually wrote them.

Contrived is different. That means it's made up. Some of this sounds contrived.

There's a mind-set that seeps over from the political sector, where the end justifies the means.

These "overheards" (which reek of gossip) are small stuff, insignificant - still, it's less than honest and propagandistic.

but I don't doubt that people write this kind of stuff for real.

And how many are trolls yanking people's chains? We have no way of knowing since there's no attribution.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Whether or not the "OVERHEARD IN THE FREEZONE" quotes are from real practicing Scientologists or are cynical trolls at work--the net result is identical.

Because the only difference between a troll making up crazed poop designed to mock/satirize Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard lecturing about Scientology is this. Hubbard's deranged rants/quotes do have a narrative thread that runs through it.

In other words, Hubbard (like any decent writer) knows how to create Scientology stories that all have a certain "logic" and "backstory" and consistent "ecosystem" that they fit into. They're not just random. For example if Hubbard needs an explanation for why the tech failed, he works within the mythological Scientology ecosystem--and finds a suitable "engram" or "implant" that explains it. There is nothing whatsoever true about the engram or the implant or the ecosystem itself, but at least they are part of the same narrative world and therefore adhere to some kind of logic.

Here's another fictional example. Let's assume the writer is creating a story about an evil government that tyrannically oppresses and terrorizes its own citizens. A poorly written story would have episodes where the police just crash into peoples' home and wreck their lives for no apparent reason (other than "they're evil!"). However, a masterful storyteller (like George Orwell) would create an entire ecosystem that logically hung together as he did in "1984". Things never happen randomly—every scene is a derivative of the extraordinarily well-ordered "Big Brother" government that controlled every iota of the characters' lives.

Now back to the "Overheard in the Freezone" quotes. Some may be real, some may not. But what makes them either is NOT whether they have a basis in truth. None of them are going to be based on reality. Just as virtually none of Hubbard's wild claims are tied to any facts. Hubbard's quotes are just more consistently tied to the fundamental "rules" of how Scientology-world was constructed.

In my view there is nothing in any of the fake "Freezone" quotes that is any less nutty than Hubbard's nuttiest quote. Hubbard simply has more craft and technique in selling his lies.

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[HelluvaHoax!]

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And how many are trolls yanking people's chains? We have no way of knowing since there's no attribution.

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Which is preferable?​

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- - L. Ron Hubbard charging people fortunes for trolling and yanking their chains?​

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- - An unidentified troll yanking people's chains for free?​

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I'd vote for the latter. It represents a considerable savings in terms of both money & time!

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[Chuck J.]

The cognitive dissonance displayed here is stunning.

Scn can be reborn after it is completely dead. It doesn't work so next time let's not make those promises.

$cientology is not dead, it just smells funny.

 

[TheSneakster]

It does sound unbelievable, but I don't doubt that people write this kind of stuff for real.

@TheSneakster seems to agree with you. Hey sneaks do you read many of the scientology groups on FaceBook? Have you seen any of these posts in your travels in the zone?

Well, yes. I have a few Indie/Freezone FB groups in my feed. Of course, there are small percentage of genuine PTS Type III's floating around in these communities. I reckon most of these were manufactured by the C of $ through either criminally bad auditing or deliberately spun through what we call "reverse processing".

This is only my observation, but the only segment of the Freezone that seems obsessed with Whole Track and Space Opera in particular are Bill Robertson's followers aka Ron's Org. In my less-than-qualified opinion (based upon discussions with Indie Tech people like Trey Lotz) at least some of their Tech sticks people in Whole Track incidents, rather than runs them out.

There is a guy named Cuitlahuac Rivas Gonzalez who imagines himself some kind of Indie/Freezone Ethics Officer and posts SP declares and crap like that to a couple of Indie/FZ venues. One of those alleged quotes looks like something from him. The rest of those I have attempted to locate with my Google Fu - which is very strong - remain a mystery to me.

This much I can be certain of - Tony Ortega doesn't hang out in such spaces, so he is being fed this material by some shit-stirrer who wishes to remain anonymous (not capitalized).

 

[TheSneakster]

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- - An unidentified troll yanking people's chains for free?
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Like yourself, you mean ?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Like yourself, you mean ?

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Hubbard routinely declared them SPs.

You routinely declare them TROLLS.

It's funny how Scientologists and Indie Scientologists always have a terrible name to label
people who debunk and expose the fraudulent magical-powers hoax called Scientology.

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ps: Your signature line has inspired me to change my own. Thanks!

I'm not hiding my identity rationality from anyone,
Also, I am not a trained or qualified lawyer homo novis.

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[TheSneakster]

(lengthy rant elided)

Come, now! Such a disproportionate reaction to a simple jest!

To think I believed you had a sense of humor and would chuckle at this. How sad.

 

[onceuponatime]

I don't think it's that big of a step from believing in body thetans to some of the stuff people allegedly post.

I know some scientologists that are at least as crazy as anything I've seen in that section. So it's completely believable to me that free zoners are posting that stuff.

 

[TheSneakster]

So it's completely believable to me that free zoners are posting that stuff.

Lots of fake things are believable in this world.

Ortega and the anonymous shit-stirrer feeding him this stuff would rather his audience just believe than go to the original source and learn exactly who is saying such things, what the original context was and what sort of reception the other commenters in that venue gave to the person quoted.

Ortega and company are cherry-picking the craziest sounding comments they can find and using only those to represent the Indie/Freezone community. That's a propagandist's activity, not that of a journalist.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I don't think it's that big of a step from believing in body thetans to some of the stuff people allegedly post.

I know some scientologists that are at least as crazy as anything I've seen in that section. So it's completely believable to me that free zoners are posting that stuff.

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Well yes, that's exactly the point!

If one took a little survey sampling of the "top Scientologists in history" (by order of Hubbard's own "command channel" rankings), they would end up with:

COMMODORE (L. Ron Hubbard)​

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DEPUTY COMMODORE (Captain Bill Robertson)​

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COB (David Miscavige)​

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INSPECTOR GENERAL RTC (Marty Rathbun)​

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Couldn't one very easily pick out a vast number of cringefully crazy quotations from any one of the above elite Scientology spiritual leaders?

If this was a TV game show called "QRAZY-QUOTES!", the host would now turn to the leading contestant and say:

QRAZY-QUOTES HOST
Okay now! You're already won many priceless prizes such as
total recall, total certainty, total knowingness & total cause over life!
Do you want to end here and keep all your gains or do you want
to risk it all in order to win the grand prize of one million dollars
by "spinning in" with our big Qrazy-Quotes! wheel?

CONTESTANT
Well.........I'd like to spin in!

[audience wildly cheers as contestant stands up and goes over to the 10 ft high wheel
and gives it a mighty spin. click-click-click-click-click-click-click. Wheel slows...

QRAZY-QUOTES HOST
And your category issssss..........
[last click - wheel stops]
L. Ron Hubbard's craziest quotes, for the win!
[host opens envelope, reads]
Fact or Fugazi?!
Did L. Ron Hubbard really say—
"Not smoking enough will cause lung cancer!"
Or was that some anonymous shit-stirring DB trolling
Scientology on the internet and trying to besmirch
the good name of Dr. L. Ron Hubbard?
Fact or Fugazi?!

CONTESTANT
Um......jeez......that's a very tough one!
I mean--that sure sounds seriously crazy! But then again
Dr. Hubbard sometimes did say some kinda odd things.
But--that's like wacky-woo! So I'm going to have to go with
'Dr. Hubbard would never say something that super-crazy!!!'
I'm going with FUGAZI! That's my final answer!

[audience roars its approval, contestant rhythmically fist
pumps, leading chants of "Fugazi! Fugazi! Fugazi!"]

QRAZY-QUOTES HOST
Let's find out now if it's Fact or Fugazi!!!
[pushes 'play' button on jumbo video screen]
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[HelluvaHoax!]

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Lots of fake things are believable in this world. and the anonymous shit-stirrer feeding him this stuff would rather his audience just believe than go to the original source and learn exactly who is saying such things, what the original context was and what sort of reception the other commenters in that venue gave to the person quoted.
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Slight problem. Nothing is a bigger "shit-stirrer" than exposing what Hubbard really said and what Scientologists/Indies really believe.

Here's a "little trick" Dr. Hubbard
"wants you to pull on your friends" to
cure their cancer with a few touch assists

See how easily that works? We don't even have to blame anonymous trolls on the internet for all of Hubbard's pathological lying and medical fraud.

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[Riddick]

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Whether or not the "OVERHEARD IN THE FREEZONE" quotes are from real practicing Scientologists or are cynical trolls at work--the net result is identical.

Because the only difference between a troll making up crazed poop designed to mock/satirize Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard lecturing about Scientology is this. Hubbard's deranged rants/quotes do have a narrative thread that runs through it.

In other words, Hubbard (like any decent writer) knows how to create Scientology stories that all have a certain "logic" and "backstory" and consistent "ecosystem" that they fit into. They're not just random. For example if Hubbard needs an explanation for why the tech failed, he works within the mythological Scientology ecosystem--and finds a suitable "engram" or "implant" that explains it. There is nothing whatsoever true about the engram or the implant or the ecosystem itself, but at least they are part of the same narrative world and therefore adhere to some kind of logic.

Here's another fictional example. Let's assume the writer is creating a story about an evil government that tyrannically oppresses and terrorizes its own citizens. A poorly written story would have episodes where the police just crash into peoples' home and wreck their lives for no apparent reason (other than "they're evil!"). However, a masterful storyteller (like George Orwell) would create an entire ecosystem that logically hung together as he did in "1984". Things never happen randomly—every scene is a derivative of the extraordinarily well-ordered "Big Brother" government that controlled every iota of the characters' lives.

Now back to the "Overheard in the Freezone" quotes. Some may be real, some may not. But what makes them either is NOT whether they have a basis in truth. None of them are going to be based on reality. Just as virtually none of Hubbard's wild claims are tied to any facts. Hubbard's quotes are just more consistently tied to the fundamental "rules" of how Scientology-world was constructed.

In my view there is nothing in any of the fake "Freezone" quotes that is any less nutty than Hubbard's nuttiest quote. Hubbard simply has more craft and technique in selling his lies.

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and that's the rhetoric of it.