OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

HelluvaHoax!

Well-known member
Now I want to post the entire History of Man "This is a cold-blooded and factual account of your last sixty trillion years" allegory. (But I won't.)
That quote is analogous to an unemployed Hubbard writing a book in 1945 called "US HISTORY - THE 1940s", with the books preface reading:

"This is a cold-blooded and factual account of your last sixty months", and never once mentioning in the book World War II.

To wit, how can someone write the authoritative "History Of Man" and entirely leave out the single greatest whole track, intergalactic, genocidal, 4th dynamic engram, mass implant cataclysm of a mere 75 million years ago?
 

Veda

Well-known member
What I find fascinating about all of it still is how these ghouls -- upper management -- sat around
after LRH's death and invented and creatively authored all this stuff out of their imaginations . . .
after LRH himself had invented and creatively authored all his stuff out of his imagination all his life.

Like Ray Mithoff heroically creating and ghost-writing the missing OT8 from scraps of paper and
intelligible notes (gobbledygook as Mayo described the notes) and thought they actually
had something.

Well, they are selling it and people are buying it, I guess. (Where has Ray Mithoff been hiding
the past 20 years?) I'd like to have been a fly in the room when they were creating the upper
bridge for those still in.

Miscavige studying LRH's folders on the cover of the lastest Souce Mag:

One would think they'd concoct an OT 9 and 10, just as they did OT 8, but something is preventing Miscavige from attempting this.

When Marty was out, and was the "Marty Luther "of Independent Scientology, circa 2011, he insisted that OT 8 was IT: the top level.

This was odd, as OT 8 is presented as the first actual OT level, and its "EP," paraphrased, is "I don't know who I am."

It's strange that Miscavige has not at least revived the old OT 5, 6, and 7 - OT 4 addressed old Clearing Course materials so would likely not be applicable to Dianetic Clears circa 1978.
 
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Hatshepsut

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Most likely it was audio recorded and, then, transcribed by Pat Broeker.

Broeker was excited that, finally, here was something that would be the basis for an OT 8 and gave it to David Mayo, expecting David Mayo to figure out how to do the rest.

From the 1980 "Lucifer" HCOB (theory) for OT 8:

"...plans were drawn up by a group outside the MEST universe for the eventual take over of a good portion of the universe... This implant... makes it effectively impossible for beings on the mostly heavily affected planets such as Earth to become free... give the subject population greater and greater susceptibility to telepathic impingement and direction by the controllers..."

This seems to have been the inspiration for the OT 8 of the most successful Scientology splinter group, Ron's Orgs. Here's the official Ron's Orgs description of their OT 8:

"'Excalibur' - handle the most secret and ancient barriers to OT, an organized attempt on the 7th dynamic [the controllers, outside the MEST universe] to force one to conform to a lower state of awareness."


"It's not me! It's the telepathic impingement and direction by the controllers!"
Eh. It's kinda saying you'll eventually end up in some coincidence of identity with your creations.

I actually think the Ron's Orgers are more practical in that they're looking for chains of dominating goals and identity groups that have sway over their underlings still. ( Their OT 8 / Super NOTs / Excalibur) It was my opinion that, ehem, standard tech was negligent in going for real present time bullies squashing the being. Seems every episode I had of feeling spiritual expansion, eventually hit some bully being.... not-incarnate in my realm. It was active attention that ignited the threat, so it was better to ignore things.

I'm not a Ron's Orger but have gone thru the CBR writings that Dulloldfart provided.
It's too over the top for me. But, I will say, I think there are some big badasses that did the dumps over past eons, and enforced the amnesia. The mind tends to cache things according to similarity of subject. Can't poke a hole in the jelly bean jar without many beans spilling out. Doing OT III, stirred up similar things, but not exactly the script of Inc Two.. Everything was ignored that didn't fit in with Ron's "usual suspects". Heavy dumps were in the Aegean, imo, during the Greek-Persian period, just 1000 B.C.
 
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HelluvaHoax!

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Geez, so I did just mock up that standing ovation... refusing to go into grief, because that's what Ron would do.

Edit: But there's another side to this cringey situation. There are the dupes, and then there are the speakers doing the duping. And then there are the people behind the stage, and people in the audience who knew that the speakers were duping the dupes. I was a dupe.

I went online thirteen years later (1999), found Hubbard's coroner's report, and in the time it took me to read the document, I woke up from my dark enchantment. I flashed back to Hubbard's death briefing, and realized I had been lied to, and the people lying were running Scientology. I began to confront the shocking fact that I had been duped out of my whole adult life.

Hey, I was not at the "Ron is so OT he killed himself!" event. However, we all shared that "CAMO" moment; and not because the cult leaders camouflaged the truth. . .

But, because to the only tech to rise above the cult is to "Cringe And Move On.

Not to be entirely negative, I have to admit that I did gain an exciting new ability in Scientology--total cause over acronyms!

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Caroline

clerk #2
Hey, I was not at the "Ron is so OT he killed himself!" event. However, we all shared that "CAMO" moment; and not because the cult leaders camouflaged the truth. . .

But, because to the only tech to rise above the cult is to "Cringe And Move On.

Not to be entirely negative, I have to admit that I did gain an exciting new ability in Scientology--total cause over acronyms!

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That's great. I think I might need to do the Expanded ARCU CDEINR step on CAMO End of Endless Ruds Repair Rundown. Still waiting for that Tech Estimate.
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
This really shows the godawful stupidity of Hu666ard and Scientology.

When reading the Fishman OT8 it's so stupid your mind rejects it...as in no way would Hu666ard write that...mainly because It would blow people off and out of Scientology which is exactly what it did.

But then it reads exactly how he writes.

But then it's so stupid you reject it.

But then he always denigrated Christianity and Jesus was just a shade above Clear.

But it's so stupid you reject it.

Right up until right now, right here, this thread.

Did he really write this?

But it's sooooo stupid!!

For my part...he wrote it and, get this (the really stupid part)...he released it!!!
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
That quote is analogous to an unemployed Hubbard writing a book in 1945 called "US HISTORY - THE 1940s", with the books preface reading:

"This is a cold-blooded and factual account of your last sixty months", and never once mentioning in the book World War II.

To wit, how can someone write the authoritative "History Of Man" and entirely leave out the single greatest whole track, intergalactic, genocidal, 4th dynamic engram, mass implant cataclysm of a mere 75 million years ago?
BRAVO! Great observation. Way to obnose that out-point!

But on top of that 75,000,000 million years ago is a mere Lock in the grand scheme of things...not even a secondary and by no means a basic-basic anything. How can running a Lock absolve one's Case?
 
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HelluvaHoax!

Well-known member
......
It's strange that Miscavige has not at least revived the old OT 5, 6, and 7 - OT 4 addressed old Clearing Course materials so would likely not be applicable to Dianetic Clears circa 1978.
I always expected the UPPER OT LEVELS to either re-boot the old OT V and VI---or to pull out some of the more sensational sounding processes from the books are re-package them. Like making OT XIII "The Grand Tour" from Creation of Human Ability. Or "Black & White" processing from (was it 8-80? or maybe 8-8008? or was if from Advanced Procedures and Axioms??). All those books have "blended" into a flat gray blob of no color sameness---same as the clay in the academy.

But wait, not only can you charge the cult marks many tens of thousands of dollars for processes where are already books they have at home ("the basics") but I would add one more twist to it. I would make the Pre-OT sign a bond with a huge fine (e.g. $100K per violation) if they ever talk about any of their sessions or "verbalize" anything at any time. This includes they are not allowed to speak aloud in session to the auditor who is running them on the Grand Tour, et al. The auditor is similarly bonded and not allowed to speak aloud. All the sessions are done telepathically. So, there is no record of the Pre-OT claiming to "be on Mars" or "be on Venus" in compliance with the cans.

The auditor just beams a smile and indicates the F/Ns.

Ideal auditing session isn't it? Nobody claims anything happened and there is no incriminating evidence that nothing whatsoever happened.
 

ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
I always expected the UPPER OT LEVELS to either re-boot the old OT V and VI---or to pull out some of the more sensational sounding processes from the books are re-package them. Like making OT XIII "The Grand Tour" from Creation of Human Ability. Or "Black & White" processing from (was it 8-80? or maybe 8-8008? or was if from Advanced Procedures and Axioms??). All those books have "blended" into a flat gray blob of no color sameness---same as the clay in the academy.
Sure, of course. And if the OT fails to achieve all the benefits or complains or has physical problems,
then it's earlier levels out or "falsely attested" and it's back for another run at OT7 or sec checks or
something, as per usual. It's a win-win for the COS. The trap of traps.

Never the tech, always the PC, as per usual, LOL. :coolwink:

But yeah, all the upper OT levels and drills are in the early 50's books and tapes. I've always thought that
they would be re-booted and used as their "out."

The essence of the NOTS-type level was first detailed in about six or eight 1952 tapes -- pretty detailed too
-- and then abandoned. Public wasn't buying it back then. Re-booted in the late 70's.

That IS the pattern throughout.
 
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HelluvaHoax!

Well-known member
Sure, of course. And if the OT fails to achieve all the benefits or complains or has physical problems,
then it's earlier levels out or "falsely attested" and it's back for another run at OT7 or sec checks or
something, as per usual. It's a win-win for the COS. The trap of traps.

Never the tech, always the PC, as per usual, LOL. :coolwink:

But yeah, all the upper OT levels and drills are in the early 50's books and tapes. I've always thought that
they would be re-booted and used as their "out."

The essence of the NOTS-type level was first detailed in about six or eight 1952 tapes -- pretty detailed too
-- and then abandoned. Public wasn't buying it back then. Re-booted in the late 70's.

That IS the pattern throughout.

Yeah, that's the way the cult rolls, alright!

BASIC PREMISE OF THE CULT: Your bank is the only thing wrong with you. Yeah, and we can fix it, no problem!

WHAT HAPPENS THEN: The tech doesn't fix it. It doesn't work. But instead of refunding the money, the cult doubles down and says the tech DID work but you are aberrated. "It's your bank that's causing all the problems!"

HOW PC REACTS: "Yeah, I know it's my bank, that's why i paid you $500,000 to fix my bank. But you didn't fix it"

CULT: Oh no, it's not your bank. It's YOU. You are kind of suppressive. But we will give you one last chance to get case gain if you buy another 100 hours.

PC: The problem is now ME?????!!!!!!

CULT: Yeah and we can fix it, no problem!



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Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
So they're admitting on the mag cover that OT9 and 10 were not written by LRH, but where just things that Miscarriage pulled out of his ass?
 

Caroline

clerk #2
You wanna hear some more stupid?


I'm dying to find out what the Rundown was!!!!
I really appreciated reading your take (and everyone else's take) on that document.

Fortunately we all have Maria Pia Gardini's sworn testimony for the OT 8 Rundown.

Affidavit of Maria Pia Gardini said:
74. The OT VIII material was titled "Truth Revealed." When I opened the materials and read the data, I went nuts. I couldn't believe what I was reading. BODY THETANS!

75. Basically on OT VIII you run processes from the "History of Man" book, right down to clams. You have to go down the track to clam, figure out an overt, then locate a BT (not cluster; you communicate telepathically and figure out the overt, write it down and ask the BT with the meter: "Is it yours?" "Is it mine?" When you get a read, you indicate who's it is and get an FN and move on. This is the truth revealed.

Affidavit of Maria Pia Gardini (14 February 2001)
We also have George White's Lucifer's Bridge, with a very detailed description of his experience on OT VIII, and analysis.

Lucifers Bridge.jpg

amazon.ca said:
This book describes the inner secrets and viewpoint of the highest "spiritual" level in Scientology named OT VIII. Lucifer's Bridge was written to expose the fundamental basis of a Church known for its violence and disruption of traditional family values. The highest level ever released was titled "Truth Revealed." It was secretly available to selected public for only a few months in 1988-1989 on an ocean going cruise ship sailing in open waters in the Caribbean. The crowning content material was abruptly pulled from the level by new generation management due to its unsonsy, egotheistic nature. L. Ron Hubbard (1911-1986) announced his intent to return to earth as the anti-Christ. This book authenticates the document he wrote. It does not contain the auditing processes which were used by the author. These are under separate copyright. It does provide the details of the experience on the Freewinds, the ship on which the material was released. The book also explains the exact Scientology secrets which were revealed. The core of Hubbard's views concerning the human race revolved around his idea of an "engram-implant." It was defined as an electronic jolt by an alien which disabled the victim's mind by placing it in a slave-like state. At the same time, a formed and reposed spirit was placed into a state of amnesia concerning its past experience and views. These "implants" were described in the religion as having taken place in the azoic, far distant past.The intent of "Truth Revealed" was to rescue a being returning it to a natural state.

Scientology's system of belief relies on a controlled spiritual search following intuitive rather than experimental Science. According to Scientology, spiritual searches are futile because the mind is disabled and filled with mythical Christian beliefs and "synthetic" thought. Ideas such as heaven or a savior were "implanted" in the human mind by space aliens. There is no scientific proof to validate Scientology. Therefore, the following material is released in order to fill in the historical record. While the story of Xenu, the evil overlord of a distant galactic civilization, is well known to the public, it is in reality a lower Scientology level. This story of massive, nuclear volcano implanting is only a small part of the inner secrets of Scientology. The Xenu story was released over forty years ago. Hubbard developed a form of therapy based on subjective analysis and exorcism. He used an e-meter, a primitive electronic device. The technique he developed was based on 19th Century Spiritualist ideas with occult variations.

Using Madame Blavatsky's work as a framework, Hubbard developed his own religious and science fiction "harmony".

Hubbard further extended the Xenu story in his Bulletin published in 1980 and made available on the Freewinds in 1988. He described a doomsday scenario for earth. The trigger for these events was to be orchestrated by a small but powerful group of space-alien entities. Hubbard claimed that they inhabit vast areas of outer space but control by telepathy. Hubbard further proclaimed that in addition to the disabled minds of humans, our bodies are also subject to intense physical deterioration based on criminal tampering with the DNA of everyone on earth. This story and the anti-Christ are unknown to deluded celebrities. In Scientology, the struggle of life is based on an evolutionary history which extends the ideas of Darwin into imagined events. For example, Hubbard breaks evolution into three levels - spiritual, physical and mental. Each thread had its own violent and damaged past which is responsible for instinctual behavior and mental issues. Hubbard did most of his research before the modern discoveries of Anthropology, DNA and the internet. The omission manifested itself in the contradictory nature of Scientology. For example, Hubbard was mentally grappling with incomplete conclusions as late as 1986 the year he died.
 
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