Manor Hotel gymnasium - Out 2D

[SuperstarNeilC]

“The Manor Hotel has a state-of-the-art, private gymnasium for hotel guests... A trained Gym In-Charge is on hand to give assistance and provides fresh towels and cold drinks as needed.”

When I was in the Sea Org and worked at The Manor, the Gym I/C was called Tom. He was twenty-something, fair complexion, toned muscular body, sociable - Perfect traits for Gym I/C. Other staff were jealous of him ‘cos of his “cushy” job. After all, he just swanned around the gym all day, working out whenever he wanted, and chatting to rich public and celebs. His stats were always up. He was viewed as a big hero in the org, and one time at muster he flexed his bulging biceps and everyone cheered and whooped. Some even wolf-whistled. I thought, “The cunt!!”

Anyway, a few months later I was down in the basement, mopping a floor, when Tom sidled up to me, looking downcast and sheepish. He thrust out some dog-eared sheets of paper and asked me to please sign. It was a Liability Formula. It turns out he’d been busted for going Out-2D with women in the gymnasium. He’d lock the door from inside and shag them on the floor, on yoga mats. He’d shagged over a dozen of them.

He was demoted down to the Galley as Pot Washer. A job he hated.

 

[Deleted member 51]

Speechless.

 

[Karen#1]

Thanks for sharing this ! I will share it too.
Little anecdotes when you lift the curtains up and see behind are so revealing.....
and warm welcome to you to this forum !

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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" . . . it turns out he’d been busted for going Out-2D with women in the gymnasium. He’d lock the door from inside and shag them on the floor, on yoga mats. He’d shagged over a dozen of them."


Instead of busting him, they should have issued a Commendation and awarded him a jumbo medallion!

REASON: For being the only staff member who had a bright idea of how to handle the crashed org stat of "Bodies In The Shop"--by annually impregnating dozens of upstat public babes.



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[kennerado]

Great story dude, great story!

 

[TheSneakster]

Anyway, a few months later I was down in the basement, mopping a floor, when Tom sidled up to me, looking downcast and sheepish. He thrust out some dog-eared sheets of paper and asked me to please sign. It was a Liability Formula. It turns out he’d been busted for going Out-2D with women in the gymnasium. He’d lock the door from inside and shag them on the floor, on yoga mats. He’d shagged over a dozen of them.

He was demoted down to the Galley as Pot Washer. A job he hated.

What year is this supposed to have happened, please ? This cannot have happened when CC International was under Yvonne Gillham Jentzsch as that person would have gone straight to the RPF. It cannot have happened after after 1991 when D.M. was personally running CC Int via his RTC Representative Network or this guy would have been summarily declared SP and booted from the Sea Org.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

What year is this supposed to have happened, please ? This cannot have happened when CC International was under Yvonne Gillham Jentzsch as that person would have gone straight to the RPF. It cannot have happened after after 1991 when D.M. was personally running CC Int via his RTC Representative Network or this guy would have been summarily declared SP and booted from the Sea Org.

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You thought you were debunking the story?

In fact you were exposing one of your rather substantial blind spots---that you believe that top management execs in Scientology actually and routinely follow some "policy".

Everyone from Hubbard on down PROVABLY DID NOT FOLLOW POLICY ANY TIME IT SUITED THEM FOR PURELY EXPEDIENT REASONS.

Your belief (about some imaginary policy that upper echelon execs "always" followed) is not supported by tens of thousands of other similar stories and eyewitnesses.

You want to believe so hard, but reality is kicking your ass, dude. LOL

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[Lee #28]

I got some tail on the roof at CC a long time ago....

Don't know if that was on Policy or not....

But over a dozen....? WoW....that guy was popular!

Were CC Chicks easy?

 

[TheSneakster]

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You thought you were debunking the story?.

There are no words written by me that assert this incident did not happen. If I meant that, I would have written that.

This report fails The Five W's test because it doesn't say when it occurred (like the vast majority of alleged incidents reported on ESMB and ESMBR). The consistent omission of when in reports makes it nearly impossible to distinguish decades old incidents from present time occurrences or to correlate a reported incident with other reported incidents and known facts. It also fails to say who this alleged Gym I/C was, so with those two things omitted, the report is quite impossible to verify as a true fact.

You are not a psychic and the pretense that you know what I am thinking is, of course a lie. You have been lying every single time you so pretended and the ESMB archive shows that you have lied about me in this way at least a hundred times over the years.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

There are no words written by me that assert this incident did not happen. If I meant that, I would have written that.

This report fails The Five W's test because it doesn't say when it occurred (like the vast majority of alleged incidents reported on ESMB and ESMBR). The consistent omission of when in reports makes it nearly impossible to distinguish decades old incidents from present time occurrences or to correlate a reported incident with other reported incidents and known facts. It also fails to say who this alleged Gym I/C was, so with those two things omitted, the report is quite impossible to verify as a true fact.

You are not a psychic and the pretense that you know what I am thinking is, of course a lie. You have been lying every single time you so pretended and the ESMB archive shows that you have lied about me in this way at least a hundred times over the years.

I see your point, the "WHEN" is missing. Let me help. . .

Hubbard's hoax called Clear/OT was a complete and utter fraud in the past and still is in the present and will continue to be in the future.

ps: You tried to say I lied hundreds of times? LOL. Actually you are not very good at figuring out who is lying---because you believe and promote one of the biggest liars in human history---L. Ron Hubbard. How is it going on attaining those supernatural OT powers, care to demonstrate some of them?

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[Karen#1]

What year is this supposed to have happened, please ? This cannot have happened when CC International was under Yvonne Gillham Jentzsch as that person would have gone straight to the RPF. It cannot have happened after after 1991 when D.M. was personally running CC Int via his RTC Representative Network or this guy would have been summarily declared SP and booted from the Sea Org.

Mike Hobson ~~

Just a data point. CC International was never under Yvonne Gillham Jentzsch.
When she was alive the entity was CCLA. Celebrity Center Los Angeles.

In fact when I traded posts with Ray Mithoff, I became Senior CS CCLA and he went to Flag to become Senior CS Flag.
This happened in 1979.

When I left CCLA in 1981 to return to Flag Service Org, it was still CCLA (on La Brea)

Then it took some years to complete renovate the Manor Hotel into what it is today.
CCLA continued to operate out of large vans and motor home type vehicles parked in the Manor Hotel parking lot.

I believe it was some time in the very early 1990s when CC Los Angeles (CCLA) vanished as an entity and it was re-named CC INT.

 

[cakemaker]

Out-2D is/was a very common occurrence in every org I worked at including Flag, ASHO, CCLA, FOLO WUS and a couple of Cl 5 orgs.
Sneakster must live in a very different world.

 

[Karen#1]

The grandiose name "Celebrity Center International" was with the strategy that CC INT was responsible for opening up junior
Celebrity Centers in other cities of the world, MANAGED by CC INT and not by INT management.

Most of them CC New York, CC Paris, CC Montreal have faded away, gone with the wind.
Even CC London merged into some other entity.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Out-2D is/was a very common occurrence in every org I worked at including Flag, ASHO, CCLA, FOLO WUS and a couple of Cl 5 orgs.
Sneakster must live in a very different world.

I think Sneakster was upset because people are not using standard lines and sending him CSWs before they post things. This post, for example---I just sent it without written approval! I am trying to look up if it's a crime or a high crime if anyone knows the LRH reference.

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[JackStraw]

I think Sneakster was upset because people are not using standard lines and sending him CSWs before they post things. This post, for example---I just sent it without written approval! I am trying to look up if it's a crime or a high crime if anyone knows the LRH reference.

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Guilty of BOTH Crimes: Being There & Communicating!

 

[Deleted member 51]

There are no words written by me that assert this incident did not happen. If I meant that, I would have written that.

This report fails The Five W's test because it doesn't say when it occurred (like the vast majority of alleged incidents reported on ESMB and ESMBR). The consistent omission of when in reports makes it nearly impossible to distinguish decades old incidents from present time occurrences or to correlate a reported incident with other reported incidents and known facts. It also fails to say who this alleged Gym I/C was, so with those two things omitted, the report is quite impossible to verify as a true fact.

I agree. I get annoyed when the "when" is dropped out of stories and the "who" is a complete unknown and nobody here vouches that the person who suddenly shows up on ESMB1 or ESMB2 telling stories even exists. The story could be true or not, but it discounts the other, verified stories with time and witnesses when these stories pop up from unknown persons with an omitted "when" that can't be verified by actual witnesses or anyone else.

There are weirdnesses in this story. Like there is no post of "Gym I/C" on any org board, and I've never seen a gym at the Manor, either. Has anyone?

It could have happened, it's just, well, without more details or corroboration, it is just a story and could have been made up and yes, there have been a few of those in the past. Still, the vast majority of stories on here and on the original ESMB are true.

Easy, HH. The Sneakster has a good point.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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There are weirdnesses in this story. Like there is no post of "Gym I/C" on any org board, and I've never seen a gym at the Manor, either. Has anyone? It could have happened, it's just, well, without more details or corroboration, it is just a story and could have been made up and yes, there have been a few of those in the past. Still, the vast majority of stories on here and on the original ESMB are true.
Easy, HH. The Sneakster has a good point.

The problem with Sneakster's chronic demand for "DOCS" and "PROOF" is that:

• All these demands for "time place form and event" are one-sided. He cherry picks anything that contradicts with his beliefs in Scientology's "technology".
• He doesn't use the same standards for his hero L. Ron Hubbard's intergalactically endless ocean of lies.
• He didn't use the same standards for his other hero's (Marty Rathbun) mountain of lies either.
• When asked for "time place form and event" on ESMB and Redux about his support and promotion of Scientology lies, Indie lies, Hubbard lies and Rathbun lies----Sneakster runs away and refuses to answer. Hypocrisy.

An example of the last bullet point (above) is that for years I have asked Sneakster about a statement he made to Rathbun on Rathbun's blog. Sneakster refuses to answer it. In an attempt to "justify" why he posted on ESMB, he told Rathbun that HE WAS ONLY ON ESMB IN ORDER TO HANDLE THE CRITICS THERE ON OVER-RESTIMULATION FROM OSA SOCKPUPPETS.

Thus, when I see him demanding others PROVE things to him, the billows of hypocritical smoke get way too thick to breathe.

Here's another opportunity for Sneakster to demonstrate that he not only "talks the talk" but that he "walks the walk" of all those glorious ethical standards that he preaches to others. If he deigns to answer whether he is still only here to handle us poor overrestimulated DBs, it will be the first time in the last decade that he does so.

How about it Sneakster? Do you follow your own preachy sermons and lectures to others? Or have you, like Hubbard, "risen above the group bank" here at ESMB? I've asked you a dozen times or more---why don't you answer this time---WHO ARE THE OSA SOCKPUPPETS THAT YOU ARE CLAIMING? WHO IS OVER-RESTIMULATED FROM THESE PHANTOM OSA SPs?

If he (once again) refuses to answer simple questions, I'm afraid I won't be impressed enough to join his Church of HALLMONITOROLOGY.

Bottom line: Anyone who promotes Hubbard, Rathbun and Scientology and Indie Scientology is probably the last person in the world who should be furiously and indignantly running around demanding "DOCS OR STFU" from others. They are spreading so many "undocumented" and "unproven" lies that it's a cosmic clown show for them to suddenly show up as the self-appointed inquisitor and sec checker of the planet in a holy crusade for truth.

However, there is good news in all of this! If anyone on ESMB feels "over-restimulated", they can get "handled" from an Indie Scientologist who knows how to Keep Scientology Working and who really really really knows how to standardly apply Ron's miraculous tech! LOL

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[JackStraw]

Maybe, if he doesn't provide the answer you seek, we can request that TPTB change his user ID from Sneakster to the more contemporary moniker: Karen.

 

[TheSneakster]

Just a data point. CC International was never under Yvonne Gillham Jentzsch.
When she was alive the entity was CCLA. Celebrity Center Los Angeles.

OK, that's a valid point.

However, the OP doesn't specify CC Int or CCLA, only "the Manor hotel". Was the Manor Hotel ever quarters for CCLA or was it always CC Int ?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

OK, that's a valid point.

However, the OP doesn't specify CC Int or CCLA, only "the Manor hotel".

Wow, an amazingly significant detail that others have missed! It's a powerful and poignant outpoint! Jeez, it's so huge that it made me forget that L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology is a criminal cult perpetrating a 70-year international fraud that destroyed countless peoples' lives with lies and abuse.

If this thread was the Nuremberg Trial, Sneakster would be a defense attorney haranguing concentration camp victims on the witness stand about whether they properly described the rank-defining buttons on Nazi guards' uniforms.

Oh wow, sorry. I guess I got carried away there---because of being heavily "over-restimulated" from OSA sock puppets. LOL.

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