I am looking for the Clay Table problem processes of the Key to Life Course

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Paolo1

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Hello to everybody, long time no see. ESMB has helped me quite a lot.

I am looking for the KTL Clay Table Processess. The ones that go: "Make a Clay Representation of Intention Counter Intention or Counter Opposed Intention". Does anyone have them somewhere or is able to write them from memory?

Thank you in advance for any input
 
HelluvaHoax!

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I never did the KTL Course, so I have little or nothing to contribute to this thread.

In fact, I'm not entirely sure I entirely agree with the clay technology as a means of creating "a balance between mass and significance" while studying. Because if that was true, why would I get a flunk during a clay demo checkout if all my small labels and the big (overall) label simply had one word on it?

"CLAY"​

To wit, if you properly label a piece of clay, wouldn't the only correct significance be "clay"? LOL

I know that Scientologists and Indies vehemently disagree with my view. However, if Scientology released an updated policy called "CLAY DEMOS - MODERNIZED" (where all clay labels said "clay"), wouldn't that dramatically reduce the amount of time required to train auditors?

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KTL HCOBs were restricted access to those delivering it. You need to find someone that was part of delivering it or someone that has a very good memory. As I am Clear and can't remember the color of Hubbard's tie, I can't hep you with the commands I did 30 years ago.
 
Isaac

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You can save your money and time by giving Erma a nudge to get the original EXSMB back up.
The EP's are free.
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guanoloco

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Isaac said:
You can save your money and time by giving Erma a nudge to get the original EXSMB back up.
The EP's are free.
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He's asking for the processes - not the EPs.

And KTL it was Clay Table Processing so there's no clay demos. They're clay "representations". It's auditing and not study stuff. There's no "flunks" or Sup checkouts or anything.

The LOC clay stuff was not processing. These are demos. I remember there was doing the 8 dynamics and who knows what else. No clay table auditing here that I recall.
 
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guanoloco said:
He's asking for the processes - not the EPs.

And KTL it was Clay Table Processing so there's no clay demos. They're clay "representations". It's auditing and not study stuff. There's no "flunks" or Sup checkouts or anything.

The LOC clay stuff was not processing. These are demos. I remember there was doing the 8 dynamics and who knows what else. No clay table auditing here that I recall.
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Well you might not get told "flunk" but there is a supe who looks at the clay reps and he might ask you to clarify your clay representation.
 
guanoloco

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onceuponatime said:
Well you might not get told "flunk" but there is a supe who looks at the clay reps and he might ask you to clarify your clay representation.
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Wasn't my experience. Who knows? Maybe my reps were good to go.

When doing it the main focus was the specific cog from the PC for table 1 and then 2.
 
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onceuponatime

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guanoloco said:
Wasn't my experience. Who knows? Maybe my reps were good to go.

When doing it the main focus was the specific cog from the PC for table 1 and then 2.
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They aren't as hardcore as when they do a clay demo checkout, that's for sure. It was pretty rare, but it did happen, or so I've heard. Your reps were probably just too good. A lot of people struggled with finding the specific EPs.
 
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Paolo1

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Isaac said:
You can save your money and time by giving Erma a nudge to get the original EXSMB back up.
The EP's are free.
Ex Scientologist Message Board

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Thanks Isaac!
 
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Lexar

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Paolo1 said:
I am looking for the KTL Clay Table Processess. The ones that go: "Make a Clay Representation of Intention Counter Intention or Counter Opposed Intention". Does anyone have them somewhere or is able to write them from memory?
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They were something like postulate vs postulate, intention vs intention, force vs force, problem vs problem, a problem calling for a solution, and a problem for which no solution can be found. I had that process 34 years ago and my recall is no longer exact.
 
I M Dex

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HelluvaHoax! said:
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I never did the KTL Course, so I have little or nothing to contribute to this thread.

In fact, I'm not entirely sure I entirely agree with the clay technology as a means of creating "a balance between mass and significance" while studying. Because if that was true, why would I get a flunk during a clay demo checkout if all my small labels and the big (overall) label simply had one word on it?

"CLAY"​

To wit, if you properly label a piece of clay, wouldn't the only correct significance be "clay"? LOL

I know that Scientologists and Indies vehemently disagree with my view. However, if Scientology released an updated policy called "CLAY DEMOS - MODERNIZED" (where all clay labels said "clay"), wouldn't that dramatically reduce the amount of time required to train auditors?

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You mean like this? (I saw that on the road a couple of days ago, how perfectly descriptive! Otherwise I might have thought it was an eggplant).
 

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guanoloco

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Lexar said:
They were something like postulate vs postulate, intention vs intention, force vs force, problem vs problem, a problem calling for a solution, and a problem for which no solution can be found. I had that process 34 years ago and my recall is no longer exact.
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Yeah! That's the stuff - along those lines.
 
Hatshepsut

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There's other booklets (12) but they are kindergarten simplistic also, and don't have many instructions with the cartoons. I'd go with what Lexar said. I have never seen the course.

I can't find the elusive Life Orientation Course either. I like the simple things.

 
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