I´m a trained therapist with in depth $ect-experience. After leaving the $ect I became aware of more crimes, both by people in the $ect and f.z.-ex´s

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
By the way, as I mentioned elsewhere, this "tech innovator" has acquired the habbit of simply hanging up on people, during phone therapy, when he got too pressured by them, because he abused them and called them over-sensitive to justify them being wrong and not him. And some of them have come to me for help.
And complaining about this person here, accomplishes -- what?

If he is operating as an unlicensed and abusive therapist, there are regulatory agencies you can report him to.
 

stratty

Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
Okay, got it. you speak for everyone, and you can only speak for yourself, I assume, correct?
If you don´t care for the code, perhaps you care for the truth? And what is that? Well, cross checking cause-effect relationship could be considered relative truth, right, and cause gravity causes the effect of apple falling = cross checking cause-effect relationship. In the same way, all effective therapists have some kind of principles that they adhere to, and the principles contained in the code cannot all be discarded without violating Auditor-PC relationship integrity, if any at all. Please give me a reason why just one of the tenets of the code should be discarded.
Nowhere in my post do I say that I speak for everyone, and I would never be so arrogant as to say that I do, however, I've been hanging around this board long enough to have a rough idea of what most member's here think about Hubbard's tek (of which the auditors code is a major part) and that is - not very much.

Discussing one's problems with a sympathetic person who is prepared to listen can be very therapeutic, and that is where most of the benefits of scientology 'processing' comes from, and you don't need an auditors code to get results that way.

In case you are unaware of the fact, the information gathered in the course of auditing sessions has been used to damage the reputation and otherwise harm those who have fallen into disfavour with the church, so where does that leave 'I promise never to use the secrets of a preclear divulged in session for punishment or personal gain.'

Auditor's Code? Don't make me laugh!
 

The Oracle

Not the same Oracle from a decade ago
Okay, let´s dive into The Auditor´s Code for a moment. It´s not one big chunk of the same type of MEST. it is after all a compilation of points to follow. Can you by the use of reason, please, substantiate why this code should be completely discardable in its entirety?
Think about the absolutely indespensable points from the code...
If you invalidate a child, what do you get?
If you criticiize a child, what do you get?
If you evaluate a child, what do you get?
And we are like children when we open up to a therapist in session, honestly, sincerely, well-intentioned, defenses lowered ann completely open for the punches from the reactive mind that the code should protect us and also the Auditor from. For the pc, it would be trauma, and also for the Auditor also, but for the Auditor it would also be an overt.
The Auditors Code, like other PARTS of Scientology tech, copied common sense from other sources In the parts of it that are common sense.
 

The Oracle

Not the same Oracle from a decade ago
Hey Innakesh, you say:

I´m a trained therapist with in depth $ect-experience.

Just a question

Are you also a certified therapist in the country you live in according to the laws of that country?

(Please provide dox to support your claim if you say you are.)
I am thinking Innakesh is going to show us something like this:

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Whattodo

Member
TO SCIENTISTS RESEARCHING SCIENTOLOGY:

Some things in Sceintology work and some don´t. Look for secure cause-effect relationships that can be reproduced and do cross check.
Let s be specific. Scientology is not just one big chunk of MEST. It is a conclomerate of stuff, not organically originated from the one universal consciousness, but compiled by L. Ron Hubbard and others.

Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East by Baird T. Spalding is to a large extent an organic peice of writing. I have a client who has pounded me for months about this issue, and I had to give in to reason, since I am after all trained in data analysis.

6 book volumes that cross check. Try writing data on just a single piece of paper that cross check and inter-relate in a cross checking way. 6 volumes that so that does not come from a human maind, it comes from a higher consciousness. Just realize how many times the tech was revised. Mozart simply dumped his music scores on paper in the first go. Obviously he was a channel for the divine.

But a genius like Hubbard did manage to create something extremely valuable, and genius is a higher degree of the divine than normally present in a human being. Scientology is the system that has worked most wonders and results for me and many of my friends and acqauintances and clients.
Why does it matter what's the point? What do you want to achieve?

Put the books down and enjoy yourself
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation.
My personal fave:

20. I promise not to explain, justify or make excuses in session for any auditor mistakes whether real or imagined.

Hmmmm, I think my fave is the unwritten (but most important) one:

I promise I will pretend to be a therapist and will kid myself that an e-meter is a valid therapy tool.


:yes:
 

Chuck J.

Election Fraud Has Consequences
Dear All
I´m Innakesh. It´s a word that does not have its origin on this planet, by the way, and its concept is that we are all facets of the one divine consciousness. For lack of a better analogy: The one divine universal consciousness being like a boy playing with an infinitely facetted diamond.
The old Indian vedas has a very unique answer to the following question: "What´s Life´s meaning?"
Answer:"Life´s meaning is God playing with himself". I´m God playing Innakesh, therefore.
I grew up in a world of infinite possibilities. Perhaps that´s part of the reason why I have such strong feelings and emotions when predominantly good and social beings were suppressed. In the $ect as (not well but) bad as outside the $ect.
My first experience with the $ect I had in 1983 I didn´t join until years later.
Recently it has come to my attention through a client of mine that a single individual and source of trouble, Auditor and suppressor, around 2001 at least, we suspect, started practicing a certain modality of new-tech development that eventually culminated in this new-tech developer eliminating The Auditor´s Code, partly based on quotes by The Original Founder and partly based on his own callous research, experimenting with his own clients through the years, both through personal contact (physical presence) and over the phone.
He is, we very strongly suspect, the source point of not only breaking The Auditor´s Code but deliberately encouraging its breakage across the boards. He audited and trained a German fellar who implemented his principles and put them to use and to the test in a group setting, around 2006. This had catastrophic consequences when "Auditors" started breaking The Auditor´s Code left, right, front, back and center..."Auditors" disclosing sensitive data about their clients both with and witout the agreement of the clients. "Auditors" blackmailing their clients and recording them in order to avoid these clients exposing the "Auditor´s" crimes, etc. And this went on and still went on with the tacit consent of the not so highly trained nor processed ex-$ect members. We have seen ex´s who have had very anti-social, psychopathic and sociopathic $ect treatment joining the Free Zone and tacitly consenting to worse crimes there, in certain instances, than ever went on in the $ect. Not least because these "non-confessionable" individuals have misused their psychic abilities from running the L´s and from Captain bill´s Bridge as bad (not well) as new-tech case gains and also L. Ron Hubbard´s administrative work such as PR-tech, etc. in order to suppress the troublesome, "SP-CLIENTS" :) in question.
We have seen people doing practically the same as they did in the $ect, namely siding with corrupt management and corrupt tech terminals, not being able to correct their group members and friends, not even when these group members and friends screwed up BIG TIME and deliberately so, even using black tech and furthering whole packages of confidential BIG DATA bulk PC folder material to the authorities, helping thereby even the freemasons and the powers that be, in order to themselves get off the hook with the authorities concerning their crimes, the potential exposure of which (due to truth-seeking and also suppressed clients) threatened their existence!
We need to re-implement THE AUDITOR´S CODE in order to survive as an ethical group. and this is due to the nature of the case. THE AUDITOR´S CODE not only protects the pc, it also protects the Auditor from going astray, and thereby The Auditor´s Code protects the human race until it gets its awareness and consciousness up the point where it can realize that there are not ultimately multi-verses. There is one universal cosmic divine consciousness in cosmos.
I thank all of you who have helped me verbalize this, not least my most recent renegade client:)
The conclusion must be that most adherents of The Original Founder were/are blindly adhering to even the unsubstantiated parts of his work, to the degree that they were willing to enter the valence of atheism, being their own and only God and divinity, to the detriment of all, as the case can never be solved without the intervention of the truly divine. And that´s why we don´t see any "OT" accomplishments amongst adherents of The Original Founder, or from him himself, that can rival the accomplishments of being cause over matter, energy, space and time as demonstrated by Sri Sathya Sai Baba.

It is not easy to keep in The Auditor´s Code, we admit, and that is partly due to the fact that the case has never really been solved by anyone, neither in the $ect, nor in the Free Zone (we use this term about good and decent ex´s) / $ect version 2.0.

Please wake up people and start researching each and every datum that you implement as truth into your consciousness, actually just as The Original Founder prescribed but din´t completely do himself :)

The truth is now prevailing!

Recently my most awake pc made me aware that I need to abandon the urge to act from both sides of the spectrum of dualistic life. In order to achieve ascension and enlightenment, I must weed out all darkness and dark actions and only strive to act good. I may postulate of course that justice be done and that the darkness be dissolved, but if I were to consciously engage in de facto evil actions like the beforementioned new-tech developer and his disciples, I would fail utterly and ruin my life to the extent that I would stray from the light.

I wish my clients, you here, and each and every Being all my best.

Innakesh
Put down the pipe, bro.

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marra

Well-known member
I recommend that you do some dissemination of all the videos about the corona scam in order to gather consensus that we give the powers that be the finger and have them stop their corona scam!

In the same way I will not accept being into being catalyzed a victim, and I will not acept my clients being catalyzed into being victims when I can DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, and rally support from the group mind. We need to be at least 51 % on the LIGHT side and mx. 49 % on the dark side.
You are obviously not rallying support here, you are simply communicating without reality and therefore creating ARC breaks. To rephrase this in another scientology way I would say you are "creating antagonism", which is something Hubbard said in his PTS/SP tech was a bad thing to do.

Most people on this board are not auditors or pc's and do not consider Hubbard or his tech to be of any major value. So you can either keep generating antagonism here or go away and find someone who cares about the Auditors Code and talk to them. I would have thought the second option would be a better use of your time.
 

Irayam

Well-known member
Looks like Innakesh is missing...
Normal, his only purpose was to waste our time answering his bullshit and it seems that the movement has started.
But it's too bad he's not answering anymore because it's much more fun when he's around.
 

He-man

Hero extraordinary
Gravity is a proven natural law. There are tenets of the Auditor´s Code that have proven themselves to be indispensable for therapy in the same way that an apple needs gravity for it to to fall to the ground or into a basket, when the tree is being shaken by a fruit picker.
Yes, gravity is a proven natural law.

No, Scientology auditing is not therapy.

Your point is moot, but if it is therapy you want to work with I recommend going back to school and getting yourself an education. Things will be much easier for you when you actually have a degree and know something about what you're talking about.

I recommend that you do some dissemination of all the videos about the corona scam in order to gather consensus that we give the powers that be the finger and have them stop their corona scam!

In the same way I will not accept being into being catalyzed a victim, and I will not acept my clients being catalyzed into being victims when I can DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, and rally support from the group mind. We need to be at least 51 % on the LIGHT side and mx. 49 % on the dark side.
The corona virus is not a scam,i it actually does exist, in the real world.

Not sure what that has to do with your victims, sorry, clients, but it sounds strange and slightly amusing referencing group-think and then declaring that you need to be a part of a majority.

Best of luck with that...
 

Zertel

Well-known member
I guess everyone thinks "with something" that being the knowledge one has gained combined with their life experience. When I was a scientologist most of the world seemed to fit into the picture scientology/Hubbard presented. The words in a subject are the thinking in a subject. Evaluation and invalidation are King's English words used in the auditor's code. Just for fun let me see if I can remember the first two lines.

1. I promise not to invalidate the preclear or make little of his case or gains.

2. I promise not to evaluate for the preclear or tell him what to think about his case in or out of session.

Something like that from memory of forty years ago. Transposed into everyday life those two rules have some value.
 

The Oracle

Not the same Oracle from a decade ago
Okay, got it. you speak for everyone, and you can only speak for yourself, I assume, correct?
If you don´t care for the code, perhaps you care for the truth? And what is that? Well, cross checking cause-effect relationship could be considered relative truth, right, and cause gravity causes the effect of apple falling = cross checking cause-effect relationship. In the same way, all effective therapists have some kind of principles that they adhere to, and the principles contained in the code cannot all be discarded without violating Auditor-PC relationship integrity, if any at all. Please give me a reason why just one of the tenets of the code should be discarded.
Like everything L RON Hubbrad did, don’t make more about it than the simple truth
practice good manners - even to children or someone needing to vent or talk
cause and effect, when It comes to relationships, have been around for millions of years
 

HelluvaHoax!

Well-known member
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And that´s why we don´t see any "OT" accomplishments amongst adherents of The Original Founder, or from him himself, that can rival the accomplishments of being cause over matter, energy, space and time as demonstrated by Sri Sathya Sai Baba.

Is your "wall of words" part of the current wave of COS "missionaries" being sent all over the internet to distract people from the recent highly damaging "out pr" revelations about David Miscavige and Tom Cruise?

Just for fun, let's take any one (1) of your claims.

For example......Sai Baba.

Anyone who keeps up the subject of "debunked gurus" knows that Sai Baba:

- - Was brutally exposed as a serial sexual predator and pedophile victimizing his cult's believers.​
- - Was debunked more times than can easily be counted when he was caught performing dumb magic tricks and pretending that he had miraculous superpowers. The guy was a complete joke.​

Sai Baba and L. Ron Hubbard are the twin poster boys of pathologically lying cult frauds who steal people's money, time and sanity.

Sai Baba regularly "materialized" mystical spiritual "dust" and spit up gold jewelry chains and rings. That's how OT he was! LOL








 
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Veda

Well-known member
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Is your "wall of words" part of the current wave of COS "missionaries" sent all over the internet to distract people from the recent highly damaging "out pr" revelations about David Miscavige and Tom Cruise?

Just for fun, let's take any one (1) of your claims.

For example......Sai Baba.

Anyone who keeps up the subject of "debunked gurus" knows that Sai Baba:

- - Was brutally exposed as a serial sexual predator and pedophile victimizing his cult's believers.​
- - Was debunked more times than can easily be counted when he was caught performing dumb magic tricks and pretending that he had miraculous superpowers. The guy was a complete joke.​

Sai Baba and L. Ron Hubbard are the twin poster boys of pathologically lying cult frauds who steal people's money, time and sanity.

Sai Baba regularly "materialized" mystical spiritual "dust" and spit up gold jewelry chains and rings. That's how OT he was! LOL








Geez, and he's using beginner level magic tricks.

Still, he's way ahead of L. Ron Hubbard when it comes to having stamps issued in his memory.

All I could find for Hubbard are these two stamps from Vinland which, as far as I can tell, is an imaginary country:



Is it possible that Vinland will be the first Clear country?
 

HelluvaHoax!

Well-known member
This thread purports to enlighten everyone about advanced miracle workers L. Ron Hubbard and Sai Baba.

The problem is that guru Innakesh never bothered to do a one minute Google search on the subject they pretend to be an expert in.

Even a ten second Google search on Sai Baba would have revealed HUNDREDS of articles and videos about the horrific sexual and financial crimes and abuses that people suffered due to the sociopath Sai Baba.

But, never mind all that---let's talk about the auditor's code! Be sure to clay demo Innakesh's r-factors! LOL

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