Hubbard: The Expert on Children

Karen#1

Well-known member
Excerpt:

Someone sent me this recent Facebook post from Mace Kingsley.


It highlights one of the more sinister aspects of scientology: the enormous amount of false — often harmful and sometimes dangerous — information Hubbard spewed forth about children.


The above is just a sampling, and it’s pretty horrific. Children’s “overts” are the problem and they should be getting married and given jobs at age 14. College is a bad idea, because it “puts a delay on marriage…”~~~READ MORE

 

lotus

Pfizer DNA biotech frog
Hubbard, the expert in " how to abuse kids"
Don't provide them with school education and have them make babies ASAP to provide a free slave pool.

I can't believe this crackpot still has true believers..

by the way I love how he refers to a long time gone era… why not talking about the present time Islamists orthodox old bags of bones who buy little girls of 12 years old to get "fresh" meat… talibans make sure schooling is not an impediment to start their beautiful family life….

Dr Hubbard the expert
In big thetans in small bodies full full full of sins…

( actually, Dr Hubbard toward his small children abuse displayed his own covert hate of them)
 

Cat's Squirrel

Well-known member
Scientology doesn't basically believe in kids at all; there's no concept of developmental psychology in the cult whatsoever. As Lotus says, they're just thetans in small bodies in the cult's view.

That's why you got people like Sheila at 16 looking after 30 Sea Org infants and toddlers despite the fact she'd had virtually no training in looking after children, or St Hill at one time appointing a 14 year old boy as their Ethics Officer.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
by the way I love how he refers to a long time gone era… why not talking about the present time Islamists orthodox old bags of bones who buy little girls of 12 years old to get "fresh" meat… talibans make sure schooling is not an impediment to start their beautiful family life….
Say what you want about the Muslims, they at least have a birth rate well above replacement level.

Unlike the native French.

While I don't agree about marriage at 14, I do think more should be getting married in their early 20's, late 20's at the latest. Too many who delay past 30 wind up childless. (For the record, my wife and I married in our 20's. I have 3 kids and 3 grandchildren (so far)).
 

lotus

Pfizer DNA biotech frog
Say what you want about the Muslims, they at least have a birth rate well above replacement level.

Unlike the native French.

While I don't agree about marriage at 14, I do think more should be getting married in their early 20's, late 20's at the latest. Too many who delay past 30 wind up childless. (For the record, my wife and I married in our 20's. I have 3 kids and 3 grandchildren (so far)).
That was not the topic
Kids shall go to school to become competent and then get a good job and pay, to raise a family, if this is their wish. It is not to a cult leader, neither to the priest or pastor to decide when is the good time.
Also, as I live Literally AMONG them, I know well their culture, depending where they were born and how the religion is having a grip on them. Those I am talking about, as I mentioned specifically, are the orthodox Islamist’s ; I don’t consider all Muslims to be in this category. It’s like Christian’s and orthodox evangelical Christians. I am a Christian but do not abide with the rules and culture of evanlegical Christians.

FYI French native are the same than Americans , Canadians,Australians or Japanese and any of the more advanced and wealthier country; they have demographic issues and must count on immigrants to have sufficient tax payers to avoid their societies to collapse..

and I won't go deeper into that, I already know all of your opinions regarding migrants.
I made my point regarding the topic posted and this is it 😉
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
FYI French native are the same than Americans , Canadians,Australians or Japanese and any of the more advanced and wealthier country; they have demographic issues and must count on immigrants to have sufficient tax payers to avoid their societies to collapse..
Correction: the countries need educated, skilled, and energetic young people, people holding well-paid jobs where they DO pay taxes, in order to avoid societal collapse.

Adding to the number collecting welfare will just make the collapse come sooner.
 

lotus

Pfizer DNA biotech frog
What you said is what we all want, but it won't happened anymore. And the reality is the demographic predictions are catastrophic, and whether we like it or not, those migrant are , in the actual reality, the people who makes our societies keep on going with their non sense more consuming based way of living.


IMO this all changed when women left home to go to work. You may reply about the feminist..but let me tell you that many women would prefer to stay home , raise kid and work part time but hubby do not want that..because they have a mortgage, a big Dodge Ram loan, to pay. Many women are exhausted and close the baby store after they had one kid, because after all, they often still get all the household and kid raising tasks.
Regarding migrant this is a generality.
Actually, unless you have a farmer friend neighbor, chances are that same me of the fruits you eat are grown from either California or Florida by Mexican and South American hard workers who are called rapists and the garbage of Mexico.

Even if you don't like it, you depend upon them because your people, as our people, won’t do this hard work , long hours for a slave pay…

No need to repeat they are criminal and rapists, We heard it hundred of times from one famous in your country which is well known to settle $$$$ case of cheating his wife with porno actress and was regularly visiting his very good friends, Jeffrey and Ghislaine , famous hosts for the complimentary no limit fresh meat buffet which attracted most famous billionaires of the world…
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
but let me tell you that many women would prefer to stay home , raise kid and work part time but hubby do not want that..because they have a mortgage, a big Dodge Ram loan, to pay. Many women are exhausted and close the baby store after they had one kid, because after all, they often still get all the household and kid raising tasks.
That is true for many.

For us, we decided that wife would stay home and raise (and home-school) the kids and our lifestyle would be determined by my income. I don't drive a Mercedes, but I have three kids and three grandkids. It's all about choosing what your priorities will be.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
Actually, unless you have a farmer friend neighbor, chances are that same me of the fruits you eat are grown from either California or Florida by Mexican and South American hard workers who are called rapists and the garbage of Mexico.
There are some who are hard workers. And there are some who are living in the cities on welfare and involved in crime and drug gangs. The ones in the second category we can do without.

Even the ones in the first category may find themselves out of jobs soon, as agricultural robots are getting better and cheaper, and more fast-food places increasingly automate.



This is why I said that we really need more smart and educated workers.
 

Lee #28

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50 underage kids as young as 12 years old....found working at Hyundai plant in Alabama.....

Many illegals will find work....no matter what.

 

Lee #28

Well-known member
Say what you want about the Muslims, they at least have a birth rate well above replacement level.

Unlike the native French.

While I don't agree about marriage at 14, I do think more should be getting married in their early 20's, late 20's at the latest. Too many who delay past 30 wind up childless. (For the record, my wife and I married in our 20's. I have 3 kids and 3 grandchildren (so far)).
I guess this discussion really doesn't belong here....but anyway:

I believe IQ is part of the problem of illegals....

I have read that Arab IQ is low due to intermarriage with Cousins being quite prevalent..... ( don't have a link for this at hand) Perhaps also intermarriage in Tribes...?

Other shocking data is how low Central American IQ is.....

Check the list at the bottom of this page.... Guatemala clocks in with an average IQ of 47! Nicaragua at 52! They are going to be taken advantage of.... But on the bright side...in a Country like America, there is going to be some protection at work....and still some chance to advance their position...

I recall back when Nixon was President it was a stink when it was discovered he had an illegal working at the West Coast White House....

Won't even talk about the African IQ ratings....

 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
and I won't go deeper into that, I already know all of your opinions regarding migrants.
I don't have problems with migrants. My parents immigrated (legally) to the US. I didn't really learn English until I started school.

I just think that Islam is incompatible with Western civilization, and that the US does not have the ability to absorb all the poor of the world.
 

Reyne Mayer

Pansexual Revolutionary
Countries by IQ - Average IQ by Country 2022
IQ is a troublesome measure when it comes to people raised and living in varying conditions, particularly when that can really vary widely between countries.

if you look at India for example, the average IQ is only about 75, and yet Indian immigrants seem to do quite well once they get here. nature or nurture?

also, look at how that map of national IQ correlates strongly with literacy rates; people who haven't had much education and who may not be able to read a common language well if at all (many places, people primarily speak one of the less known of the world's estimated 7 thousand languages), aren't going to do well on IQ tests:


 

Lee #28

Well-known member
IQ is a troublesome measure when it comes to people raised and living in varying conditions, particularly when that can really vary widely between countries.

if you look at India for example, the average IQ is only about 75, and yet Indian immigrants seem to do quite well once they get here. nature or nurture?

also, look at how that map of national IQ correlates strongly with literacy rates; people who haven't had much education and who may not be able to read a common language well if at all (many places, people primarily speak one of the less known of the world's estimated 7 thousand languages), aren't going to do well on IQ tests:



Yes....certainly some highly qualified people immigrate from India.....legally.

I spent a few days in Bombay ( Mumbai now ) back in 1968.....The MASS of humanity living on the sidewalks and greenways....was shocking. Those that didn't get up in the morning were dead.... The amount of beggars was frightening....swarms that would cover a car....
But a lot of that is baked into their Cast System....and of course are very poor. Not "American Poor".....but something much worse.

Sure....on the Bell Curve....I'd imagine any Country would have very smart people.... That is not the point I am making....

India has almost 1.5 billion people..... I don't see how we could take many of them...

200 to 250 THOUSAND people a month are coming illegally across the Southern US Border now! IMO that is just crazy and treason to allow it to happen. I live in a "small city" of 250 thousand. I can't imagine that many illegals coming in each month....it is a catastrophe!
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
if you look at India for example, the average IQ is only about 75, and yet Indian immigrants seem to do quite well once they get here. nature or nurture?
Or we are getting the smart ones.

A large percentage (most?) of Indian immigrants are coming over on H1B visas as tech workers, or on student visas. We are not getting the illiterate peasants and street beggars.

Decades ago, people were talking about the "Brain Drain", where the smart people of the world were all trying to get to the US. Some were upset that this was damaging the countries they were coming from, who were losing their smartest people.
 
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Reyne Mayer

Pansexual Revolutionary
a lot of that is baked into their Cast System....and of course are very poor. Not "American Poor".....but something much worse.

Sure....on the Bell Curve....I'd imagine any Country would have very smart people.... That is not the point I am making....

India has almost 1.5 billion people..... I don't see how we could take many of them...
Caste is an unfortunate example of how people can be held back and held down systemically.

and i guess you'd be surprised at some of the "American Poor" i see where i live. there's a town and rural white underclass that has many resemblances to what i saw in the ghettos of LA. if they didn't have the supports of the US charity and social welfare system, their situation might not look much different from the streets of South Asia.

this isn't a thread about immigration so i'm not going to comment on that.
 

Reyne Mayer

Pansexual Revolutionary
Or we are getting the smart ones.

A large percentage (most?) of Indian immigrants are coming over on H1B visas as tech workers, or on student visas. We are not getting the illiterate peasants and street beggars.
quite possibly, but then again we don't know to what extent it's nature versus nurture, and it often turns out to be the case with things like that, that it's much less than people assume.

many immigrant groups in the US were once considered by many to be hopelessly incapable of assimilating and succeeding. chances are you're descended from one of them....

like i said before this isn't about immigration, but here are a couple of graphics showing that it's more complex than widely held held assumptions and generalizations:



 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
quite possibly, but then again we don't know to what extent it's nature versus nurture, and it often turns out to be the case with things like that, that it's much less than people assume.

many immigrant groups in the US were once considered by many to be hopelessly incapable of assimilating and succeeding. chances are you're descended from one of them....

like i said before this isn't about immigration, but here are a couple of graphics showing that it's more complex than widely held held assumptions and generalizations:



Part of it may be genetics, part culture.

When you bring up kids, you are implanting a culture into them. What is culture? At its core, it is a set of beliefs and attitudes about life and the world. Culture contains attitudes about various human qualities and whether they are to be valued, or treated with contempt. You can see the essence of a culture in how the culture describes what the "ideal man" and "ideal woman" should be like.

Hubbard's Scientology culture, to get back to the original topic, held that the greatest good was the advancement of Scientology, and that it was proper to lie, cheat, and intimidate in order to do so. The ideal person was someone who dedicated 100% to Scientology, to the exclusion of personal life, having a family, having friends, or having any loyalty to anyone but LRH.

Hubbard held in contempt any academic learning other than leaning "the tech". When a child is implanted with that culture, he may have difficulties in the real world.

Ghetto culture contains contempt for academic learning, plus admiration for successful thuggery. The ideal man is someone who "doesn't take any shit" and responds with violence to any hint of "being disrespected". To do otherwise is to be weak and contemptible. Someone who embraces ghetto culture will not do well in Western civilization.

Conversely, Jewish and East Asian cultures admire the scholar, and have contempt for the thug. They tend to do well.

On the subject of genetics versus nurture, there was, some years ago, a study called the "Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study", where black children who were adopted as babies into white middle-class families were given IQ tests at 17. The average black IQ is 85. After being brought up in middle class affluent white families, and going to middle class schools all their lives, the children of two black biological parents averaged IQ 89.

 
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