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Lee #28

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Actors are not Cinematographers (Film industry) or Videographers (T.V. industry). IIRC, there have been law enforcements searches of his dwellings and offices which turned up no such recordings.
Don't mind me....just yacking it up on a Sunday afternoon.... But I disagree with you on the Actors / Cameras....

Certainly Actors have a relationship with Cameras..... I'm sure Actors would want to know as much as possible as to how they look on Camera..... Just watch some current Tik Toks at girls mucking it up for their cameras....

Kinda reminded me of the Bob Crane saga..... Certainly Actors have a relationship with Cameras.....

Anyway....today with those tiny SD cards for video cameras......they are about the same size as a postage stamp.... And that a lot of these freaks like to record what they do.....secretly or not.....IMO

Add that to recording clarity of HD and even 4k video on Cell Phones....

Add that to the Private Investigators following some people.....I'm sure they do some surreptitious pics and videos too....

I would speculate that there are some pics or videos somewhere....
 

TheSneakster

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I would speculate that there are some pics or videos somewhere....
If you are suggesting that Masterson made video recordings of him raping drug impaired victims? Well none of them were ever found and to suggest that P.I.'s were present to video tape these rape sessions is ludicrous at best.

What David "Darth Midget" Miscavige needs to be concerned about is detailed Confessional Records of Masterson's alleged crimes and detailed records of Ethics handlings leveled against Masterson's accusers while they were still C of S members. By now, I'm sure he has destroyed any such records as could be located, of course.
 

Karakorum

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Don't mind me....just yacking it up on a Sunday afternoon.... But I disagree with you on the Actors / Cameras....

Certainly Actors have a relationship with Cameras..... I'm sure Actors would want to know as much as possible as to how they look on Camera..... Just watch some current Tik Toks at girls mucking it up for their cameras....

Kinda reminded me of the Bob Crane saga..... Certainly Actors have a relationship with Cameras.....

Anyway....today with those tiny SD cards for video cameras......they are about the same size as a postage stamp.... And that a lot of these freaks like to record what they do.....secretly or not.....IMO

Add that to recording clarity of HD and even 4k video on Cell Phones....

Add that to the Private Investigators following some people.....I'm sure they do some surreptitious pics and videos too....

I would speculate that there are some pics or videos somewhere....
Seeing the kind of money Masterson had, he could have easily hired professionals to install hidden cameras and microphones in his house. It isn't rocket science, there's people in the SO who do that sort of stuff.

The fact that he had the money doesn't mean he must have done it.

Also, pretty much everyone who worked with or around Miscavige and left is saying that Davey is asexual, never had lovers and wasn't even having sex with his wife. Again: I have absolutely no insider info about Davey's personal life from my personal experiences, I'm just repeating what I heard.
 

Lee #28

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If you are suggesting that Masterson made video recordings of him raping drug impaired victims? Well none of them were ever found and to suggest that P.I.'s were present to video tape these rape sessions is ludicrous at best.

What David "Darth Midget" Miscavige needs to be concerned about is detailed Confessional Records of Masterson's alleged crimes and detailed records of Ethics handlings leveled against Masterson's accusers while they were still C of S members. By now, I'm sure he has destroyed any such records as could be located, of course.
No....not suggesting that.

But am saying that if a PI was out and about tailing someone.....that sure, they might take some pics or video....

You misunderstood what I was saying.

Anyway ....drop it. Didn't mean to get off on a tangent here...
 

Lee #28

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A lot of posters here don't like Speculation..... They prefer facts..

I like to speculate....what ifs.....possibilities...

These days there is a much lower threshold to sexual pics and videos..... Heck...youth are texting nudes .....

Reading what Danny Masterson did.....drugged girls in his bed.... It seems ludicrous to think he didn't take pictures....to me.

Whether any were found or not.....is besides the point.
 

Cat's Squirrel

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Nice Deck! Very valuable....

I've got a Nakamichi 1000 Tri Tracer.... works good.
Beautiful sound.

Could use a rebuild .....
I've never seen a TriTracer, but I know it's got a great reputation. With hindsight I wish I'd bought something less complicated than the Dragon, but when it was going well the sound was amazing.

I like Tandberg decks as well although they aren't accident proof (I've broken tapes in the one I've got); they've got a very full, warm sound. I've played Led Zeppelin's 4th album on my Tandberg and on my CD player at the same time for purposes of comparison, and preferred the sound of the Tandberg.

When I was with a different organisation before Scn, they used to make their recordings with a Tandberg and a Yamaha for backup.
 
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Cat's Squirrel

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There are only a tiny handful of Scn celebrities that are stupid enough to sacrifice their own careers and themselves to save the cult. Most Scn celebrities would not hesitate to kick Miscavige to the curb if their own career and reputation or legal status was at risk.
That's interesting, because I've always had the impression that the ones we all know about (Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Jeff Pomerantz, Chick Corea et al.) are deeply committed Scnists who care about the Bridge and their eternity first and foremost, and their career is how they pay for their Bridge? Clearly not then?
 

Lee #28

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@Cat's Squirrel

I am under the impression that the Dragon is Top of the Line....as far as Nakamichi Decks go...

Yea, I picked up the 1000 Tri Tracer for a song at an Estate Sale a couple years ago. I too had heard great things about it.

But doing some research....I did read some less than stellar remarks about it. Be that as it may.....I think mine has incredible sound. I was floored when I first heard it....amazing! I haven't tried to record with it.... They did come out with several models of the 1000 after, the Tri Tracer 1000 was the first one like that...

Pic from the web....

I hear Cassettes are coming back into style!

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Cat's Squirrel

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I am under the impression that the Dragon is Top of the Line....as far as Nakamichi Decks go...

Yea, I picked up the 1000 Tri Tracer for a song at an Estate Sale a couple years ago. I too had heard great things about it.

But doing some research....I did read some less than stellar remarks about it. Be that as it may.....I think mine has incredible sound. I haven't tried to record with it.... They did come out with several models of the 1000 after, the Tri Tracer 1000 was the first one like that...

Pic from the web....

I hear Cassettes are coming back into style!

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Nice deck, I like the wood panelling. Yeah, I think the 1000 ZXL is the real "grail" Nak with computer-controlled calibration but I've never seen one. The CR7 was also very highly rated, similar to the Dragon but with no autoreverse and you had to adjust the azimuth manually instead of it being done automatically as with the Dragon.

If you liked a girl back in the day it used to be the thing to make her a mixer tape with all the tracks you thought she would like; I don't know what young people do now instead.
 
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Lee #28

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Nice deck, I like the wood panelling. Yeah, I think the 1000 ZXL is the real "grail" Nak with computer-controlled calibration but I've never seen one.
Insane prices for the Dragon..... :eek:

You should get it fixed up. Perhaps it just needs some new caps...?

The Tri Tracer is not so costly....but still dear...
 

Lee #28

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Also, pretty much everyone who worked with or around Miscavige and left is saying that Davey is asexual, never had lovers and wasn't even having sex with his wife. Again: I have absolutely no insider info about Davey's personal life from my personal experiences, I'm just repeating what I heard.
I just don't buy it. Sex stuff can be hidden.... Who knows what his "thing" is....

If Miscavage is punching people....slapping them around.....yelling and screaming.....maybe he has some sexual frustration and or inhibitions...?

Anyway....being "asexual..." is kinda strange too.... That is diffidently a string to pull.
 
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Cat's Squirrel

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I just don't buy it. Sex stuff can be hidden.... Who knows what he "thing" is....

If Miscavage is punching people....slapping them around.....yelling and screaming.....maybe he has some sexual frustration and or inhibitions...?
Possibly, but as I'm sure you realise there are a lot of sexually frustrated / inhibited people who don't go around slapping and yelling at other people.

IMO, Miscavige behaves like that because; 1 / he doesn't know any better, 2 / because no one's stood up to him since he was 22 years old, 3 / because he has no concept of others' boundaries, and 4 / (allied to 3/ ) because he has no respect for other people's rights and feelings.
 

Lee #28

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Possibly, but as I'm sure you realise there are a lot of sexually frustrated / inhibited people who don't go around slapping and yelling at other people.

IMO, Miscavige behaves like that because; 1 / he doesn't know any better, 2 / because no one's stood up to him since he was 22 years old, 3 / because he has no concept of others' boundaries, and 4 / (allied to 3/ ) because he has no respect for other people's rights and feelings.

Yes, all true.

I guess I'm just thinking about the manipulation of human sexuality of any sort done by so many different Cults.....and or Religions.

If I look at Heavens Gate or the Flirty Fishing of the Children of God....or what I read about how Manson trained his people.....or the Catholic Priest situation.....and on and on.... It is a huge button to manipulate. The stories here of Miscavige reading the Auditing Reports of people and laughing....and such. Vows of abstinence.....or chastity.... What has been lately on the Web about Mormon "soaking..."

The way I look at it....what is physically dominating someone with fists and slaps and verbal degradation ....other that a type of sexual domination?

Plus.....the Sea Org separating husband and wife to 2 different locals....is just weird. Miscavige banishing his wife....to a secret location....is just weird. It is all sexual manipulation.... It is not a-sexual....
 
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mimsey borogrove

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If you are suggesting that Masterson made video recordings of him raping drug impaired victims? Well none of them were ever found and to suggest that P.I.'s were present to video tape these rape sessions is ludicrous at best.

What David "Darth Midget" Miscavige needs to be concerned about is detailed Confessional Records of Masterson's alleged crimes and detailed records of Ethics handlings leveled against Masterson's accusers while they were still C of S members. By now, I'm sure he has destroyed any such records as could be located, of course.
No, we were suggesting for him to have dirt on Miscavage, it had to be more than verbal testimony - it would have to be videos, photos, identifiable audio. Something that could be published on line, handed over to law enforcement, etc. Who says the dirt has to be of a sexual nature? Many other avenues are open. Mimsey
 

Karakorum

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No, we were suggesting for him to have dirt on Miscavage, it had to be more than verbal testimony - it would have to be videos, photos, identifiable audio. Something that could be published on line, handed over to law enforcement, etc. Who says the dirt has to be of a sexual nature? Many other avenues are open. Mimsey
You know, if we are speaking "dirt" there's also the possibility that Danny might not have dirt directly on Miscavige, but on something else that nevertheless makes Davey obliged to help him. Examples that come to mind:
1. Dirt on Davey's sister.
2. Dirt on the organization itself, its regges, financial stuff.
3. Dirt on someone like Tom Cruise.

Again: this is pure speculation on my part, I have no insider info here.
 

onceuponatime

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What David "Darth Midget" Miscavige needs to be concerned about is detailed Confessional Records of Masterson's alleged crimes and detailed records of Ethics handlings leveled against Masterson's accusers while they were still C of S members. By now, I'm sure he has destroyed any such records as could be located, of course.
Yes, I agree with this. It will be interesting to see what evidence comes to light. Even though the church holds records/PC folders as sacred I expect them to have gotten rid of anything incriminating. Of course this is a dangerous line to walk, you can't go around destroying evidence. But they did it before and I expect them to do it again. Hopefully the accusers have copies/records of their own that they can reference/use.

You know, if we are speaking "dirt" there's also the possibility that Danny might not have dirt directly on Miscavige, but on something else that nevertheless makes Davey obliged to help him. Examples that come to mind:
1. Dirt on Davey's sister.
2. Dirt on the organization itself, its regges, financial stuff.
3. Dirt on someone like Tom Cruise.

Again: this is pure speculation on my part, I have no insider info here.
I don't think Masterson has any dirt on anybody. The simplicity is they are too far gone down the road of covering things up. Also, their actions so far have been in accordance with LRH policy (or their interpretation of it). I wonder if we will see any changes in how they operate as far as crimes/covering things up.


One thing that doesn't get talked about that much is Masterson's case level. He was Clear right? He had plenty of money and time to go on up the OT levels. It's a red flag to me that he never advanced beyond Clear. This is just speculation, but my thought is that the Church knew he had this stuff in his past and was unwilling to give him the green light to go onto the OT levels. It could just be coincidence, but to me it gives more credence to the idea that the Church knew exactly what happened and covered it up (rather than it being a he said, she said).
 

Karakorum

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In some sense this is a spectacular example of Davey's failure to get ethics in as well as a spectacular flop on the part of OSA and inv.

Celebrities and kids of influential members have often been sacred cows, now that policy fell flat on its face and became not just a money sink, but a direct threat to the church's whole arbitration legal schemes. And all this because Davey, the supposed enforcer-in-chief treated people like Masterson with kid gloves, instead of giving him the iron fist he is otherwise infamous for.

Davey blew it because of insufficient amounts of hard, heavy ethics. Ironic, isn't it?
 

TheSneakster

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In some sense this is a spectacular example of Davey's failure to get ethics in as well as a spectacular flop on the part of OSA and inv.
So far as I have been able to determine from the reports (and a few private conversations) of most of the parties working directly with Hubbard after he came ashore from the Apollo, David "Darth Midget" Miscavige is not and never was attempting to "get ethics in". Everything he has done since even before Ron Hubbard was sequestered in Jan 1980 has been about amassing personal power until he could gain complete and total control over the C of $ for his own personal gain.
 
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