Hello - Can I Take Scientology Extension Courses With Materials Purchased Used On Ebay?

Harold#1

A VERY STABLE SUPER GENIUS!!
From Jeffrey Augustine:


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A $1997 seminar should never sell for $97 unless:

1. The seminar is actually only worth $97. By offering his seminar at $97, is Grant Cardone saying that he has only $97 worth of information and wisdom to impart to his listeners? If so, then his claim that the seminar is worth $1997 makes him seem like a scam artist. No one offers a 95% discount on a product unless that product is basically worthless.

The actual ticket price to Cardone’s event is meaningless because the bottom line is this: Grant Cardone is a hustler and uses hustler gimmicks like offering you a 95% discount so that you can buy a ticket for only $97. Grant Cardone acts like he is your friend by giving you a discount so deep that he will surely lose a fortune just so he can help you become wealthy. What a swell guy he is. Cardone’s fake magnanimity is part of his hustle. No surprise here: The hustler is gonna hustle!

2. The price is a gimmick to lure the suckers in
. This is Grant Cardone’s operating basis: Get “bodies into the shop” (a charming L. Ron Hubbard phrase) and then the real high-pressure selling begins. Once Cardone’s attendees are in the seminar, Grant Cardone and his staff pitch attendees on Cardone’s high-priced coaching, selling, and marketing classes.

In Grant Cardone’s world, success and wealth can only come if you “invest in yourself” by purchasing his courses and services. This is because you are too stupid to figure out success on your own. Scientology has the exact same mentality. Scientologists promote themselves as being the experts on the mind, on literacy, education, drug treatment etc. But it all comes at a steep price.

3. Grant Cardone has a hidden agenda. Grant Cardone sold cheap tickets to his previous 10X GrowthCon. He then used the event to raise $15 million for his Reg A Cardone Fund V. Cardone bragged about how he raised $15 million in 90 minutes at his 10X GrowthCon:


As we reported, Grant Cardone has recently been slammed with three class action lawsuits which allege securities fraud, i.e. Cardone made knowingly false representations to investors about his Reg A deals. The video above contains a factual misrepresentation in which Cardone claims that all of an investor’s money goes into the fund.

While this is technically accurate, it is misleading. What Cardone failed to disclose is that he buys his deals himself and then sells them to his funds. In his self-dealing scheme, Cardone charges investors 6% interest on his money he used to buy the multifamily units. He then sells the units to his fund and takes a 1% acquisition fee on the Fund side of the deal. Cardone double-dips in this way. The money for Cardone’s double-dipping comes from his investors. The investors pay Cardone’s fees and thus take a hit on their investment at the outset.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Outstanding article by Jeffrey Augustine!

"3 FULL DAYS WITH GRANT CARDONE--ONLY $97!"

Jeez, that seems like a serious out-exchange.

How about 3 full days with Cardone for only $ 1,997? (nope, still out-exchange)

How about 3 days with Cardone for only $ 19,977?

Nope, that would be a really bad out exchange too. I wouldn't spend three days with Grant Cardone if they only paid me $19,977---they'd have to pay me way more than that!

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Barile

Well-known member
I mean it cost 128K to go clear according to Google.

Is it so plauged with greed that I cant get started with some used text books and lectures?
I'm sorry, I was just passing by and couldn't help but overhear your question. Don't mean to interrupt, but may I suggest:
Read a few books by Spinoza
Get a hobby.
Ok, have a good day!
 

Xenu Xenu Xenu

Well-known member
Hello,

First let me say that I have watched hours and hours of interviews and testimony by previous members of the Church of Scientology and I understand what I am getting into. I want to learn the philosophy because it is helping me. I do not wish to join the Sea Org or anything like that. I just want to learn the philosophy throughly just like I have Jewish mysticism, Catholicism, various other occult teachings, ect. (that did not help me at all whatsoever.

The Problems of Work, A New Slant On Life, Dietetics The Original Thesis, the tone scale, the 8 dynamics, the ARC triangle is helping me. I will heed the advice of previous members but I have to learn more because it is helping me.

I am reading through the books and have been to my local org a few times.

I want to take every extension course they have because I am reading all the books and the thing is I want to purchase all the basic lectures, the congresses, and the ACC on Ebay, because I just cant buy them for $125-$300 each at the Org when I can get them for $30 on ebay.

Would the church let me take the extension courses with the Ebay purchased lectures?

I want to do it all in 1 year.

Is this possible?
I wasn't going to answer you again but since I know nothing about you, I thought that I would throw this at your wall and maybe something will stick. I do not know how to answer you except in a roundabout way.

It has been said that anything worthwhile is usually difficult and vast enough to keep you occupied for a lifetime. Things like golf, playing music, chess, art, and other enthusiasms seem to fit that definition. These things have been known to make people happy too.

These days, increasing numbers of people have forgotten about all that stuff and want only the fast easy results because instant gratification is what it is all about.

Something to think about.
 

Barile

Well-known member
I wasn't going to answer you again but since I know nothing about you, I thought that I would throw this at your wall and maybe something will stick. I do not know how to answer you except in a roundabout way.

It has been said that anything worthwhile is usually difficult and vast enough to keep you occupied for a lifetime. Things like golf, playing music, chess, art, and other enthusiasms seem to fit that definition. These things have been known to make people happy too.

These days, increasing numbers of people have forgotten about all that stuff and want only the fast easy results because instant gratification is what it is all about.

Something to think about.
Hey now... good advice. Without getting into the why of what attracts someone to something that claims to have the secret, the answer,
the roadmap, the truth... consider this rather well done video on a parallel subject. I just ran into this, and watched the whole thing. It is, I think, worth a discussion.

 

The_Fixer

Well-known member
From Jeffrey Augustine:


excerpt:



A $1997 seminar should never sell for $97 unless:

1. The seminar is actually only worth $97. By offering his seminar at $97, is Grant Cardone saying that he has only $97 worth of information and wisdom to impart to his listeners? If so, then his claim that the seminar is worth $1997 makes him seem like a scam artist. No one offers a 95% discount on a product unless that product is basically worthless.

The actual ticket price to Cardone’s event is meaningless because the bottom line is this: Grant Cardone is a hustler and uses hustler gimmicks like offering you a 95% discount so that you can buy a ticket for only $97. Grant Cardone acts like he is your friend by giving you a discount so deep that he will surely lose a fortune just so he can help you become wealthy. What a swell guy he is. Cardone’s fake magnanimity is part of his hustle. No surprise here: The hustler is gonna hustle!

2. The price is a gimmick to lure the suckers in
. This is Grant Cardone’s operating basis: Get “bodies into the shop” (a charming L. Ron Hubbard phrase) and then the real high-pressure selling begins. Once Cardone’s attendees are in the seminar, Grant Cardone and his staff pitch attendees on Cardone’s high-priced coaching, selling, and marketing classes.

In Grant Cardone’s world, success and wealth can only come if you “invest in yourself” by purchasing his courses and services. This is because you are too stupid to figure out success on your own. Scientology has the exact same mentality. Scientologists promote themselves as being the experts on the mind, on literacy, education, drug treatment etc. But it all comes at a steep price.

3. Grant Cardone has a hidden agenda. Grant Cardone sold cheap tickets to his previous 10X GrowthCon. He then used the event to raise $15 million for his Reg A Cardone Fund V. Cardone bragged about how he raised $15 million in 90 minutes at his 10X GrowthCon:


As we reported, Grant Cardone has recently been slammed with three class action lawsuits which allege securities fraud, i.e. Cardone made knowingly false representations to investors about his Reg A deals. The video above contains a factual misrepresentation in which Cardone claims that all of an investor’s money goes into the fund.

While this is technically accurate, it is misleading. What Cardone failed to disclose is that he buys his deals himself and then sells them to his funds. In his self-dealing scheme, Cardone charges investors 6% interest on his money he used to buy the multifamily units. He then sells the units to his fund and takes a 1% acquisition fee on the Fund side of the deal. Cardone double-dips in this way. The money for Cardone’s double-dipping comes from his investors. The investors pay Cardone’s fees and thus take a hit on their investment at the outset.
I think my mental health issues don't extend to any involvement with Cardone.
Translated: I'm not mentally ill enough to go there....
 

Xenu Xenu Xenu

Well-known member
Hey now... good advice. Without getting into the why of what attracts someone to something that claims to have the secret, the answer,
the roadmap, the truth... consider this rather well done video on a parallel subject. I just ran into this, and watched the whole thing. It is, I think, worth a discussion.

Very well put together.

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Those were the harmless scams back when I was a kid. Scams that promised money, power, sex. and the wonders of the world. And then you grow up and the game looks the same except it is deadly serious, grim, vicious, and maybe bad for your health.

I used to see those ads from millionaires promising to share their secret to riches just as long as I sent them money. I would naturally wonder why they would need my money if they were so rich in the first place. You would think most people would ask the same question. Then again, I joined a cult.
 

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Karakorum

Broke ranks over 10 years ago, never looked back
2. The price is a gimmick to lure the suckers in
Bingo!

Come on in and take a free personality test. You know you want to and it is free.
 

Barile

Well-known member
Very well put together.

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Those were the harmless scams back when I was a kid. Scams that promised money, power, sex. and the wonders of the world. And then you grow up and the game looks the same except it is deadly serious, grim, vicious, and maybe bad for your health.

I used to see those ads from millionaires promising to share their secret to riches just as long as I sent them money. I would naturally wonder why they would need my money if they were so rich in the first place. You would think most people would ask the same question. Then again, I joined a cult.
I actually ordered the X-Ray Specs..... turns out it was a cheap plastic frame set with a feather between the lenses. I recall being bitterly disappointed..
I also ordered the Charles Atlas body building course. Turns out, that was pretty legit. Isometric tension excercises. I still wear size 32 jeans...
Melinda.... call me ...
 
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scientia

New member
I need a philosophy that will work.
Reducing life's complexities into heuristic absolutes can be useful.
Intellectually lazy...but useful.

Reading/listening to Hubbard's whole track fantasia will directly influence your recall in auditing (preconditioning).

Hubbard's heady explanations for scientologically-induced dissociative phenomena are entirely faith-based.

The only way you can advance in scientology is by denying logic.

Your stated expectations are already breathing life into the placebo effect.

In short, scientology will "work" for you if you believe that it can.
To what degree are you willing to diverge from reason to obtain benefit?
 
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Xenu Xenu Xenu

Well-known member
Atheists like to say that Christians have an imaginary friend called Jesus.

I like to say that Scientologists have an imaginary body of knowledge called Scientology; not to mention an imaginary friend called "Ron". He was never your friend.

I suppose if you wanted self-improvement; you could do a lot of different things, Off the top of my head I bet you could chant the words, "I will Improve!" over and over again and just do only this as your daily routine. Sooner or later you may start to believe it. You may go into a trance and feel euphoric. It may take days or it may take years but it is just possible you could brainwash yourself into a self-hypnotic condition where all your desires for improvement come true or at least that is what you now believe. Sounds just as good as Scientology to me. It's all the same anyway. It's all in your mind.
 

Karakorum

Broke ranks over 10 years ago, never looked back
Atheists like to say that Christians have an imaginary friend called Jesus.
Well at least their imaginary friend will not beat them up, or force them to do things that might land them in jail.

That imaginary friend called "Dave" on the other hand...
 

PirateAndBum

Administrator
Staff member
Atheists like to say that Christians have an imaginary friend called Jesus.

I like to say that Scientologists have an imaginary body of knowledge called Scientology; not to mention an imaginary friend called "Ron". He was never your friend.

I suppose if you wanted self-improvement; you could do a lot of different things, Off the top of my head I bet you could chant the words, "I will Improve!" over and over again and just do only this as your daily routine. Sooner or later you may start to believe it. You may go into a trance and feel euphoric. It may take days or it may take years but it is just possible you could brainwash yourself into a self-hypnotic condition where all your desires for improvement come true or at least that is what you now believe. Sounds just as good as Scientology to me. It's all the same anyway. It's all in your mind.
And costs a lot less!
 

Karakorum

Broke ranks over 10 years ago, never looked back

marra

Well-known member
Atheists like to say that Christians have an imaginary friend called Jesus.

I like to say that Scientologists have an imaginary body of knowledge called Scientology; not to mention an imaginary friend called "Ron". He was never your friend.

I suppose if you wanted self-improvement; you could do a lot of different things, Off the top of my head I bet you could chant the words, "I will Improve!" over and over again and just do only this as your daily routine. Sooner or later you may start to believe it. You may go into a trance and feel euphoric. It may take days or it may take years but it is just possible you could brainwash yourself into a self-hypnotic condition where all your desires for improvement come true or at least that is what you now believe. Sounds just as good as Scientology to me. It's all the same anyway. It's all in your mind.
"Every day, in every way, I'm getting better and better".
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
Well if your response to a thread in which a man explaines his abusive upbringing and that he was forced to teach himself through all grades is to poke fun at a deficiency in spelling then you are a very spiritually weak man and I pitty you. And if “Dark” is a reference to the left hand path, I think that is the most limp wristed and flabby thing there is.

Isnt it ovbious that Ron lost his mind? The reactive/analytical mind and the early stuff are good ideas. It isnt until later that the auditing past lives, body thetans, zenu, and that story where he claims hes the anti christ come along.



Sounds like Ron had at least some level of brightness in his early years and slowly lost his mind. Seems like it started to get bad when he was auditing himself which is around the time the body thetans ect came along.

Veda I have not yet but I do intend to do so.
Ron discusses past life auditing in Science of Survival which is 1951.
 
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