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[Veda]

I'll Try again.

During the late 1940s, Hubbard wrote in his Affirmations that the psychology he had developed should not be applied to himself, that he was already a Master.

According to his oldest son, Ron Jr., who was there through the 1950s, his father felt he should not be audited.

Reading success stories from other people, Hubbard broke his own rule, and did auditing on himself.

Ultimately, this became an obsession, and Hubbard may have become addicted to the electrical current that flows from the e-meter.

During 1983, Van Morrison was briefly involved with Scientology. He wrote this song in recognition and celebration of the mystics and poets, and others, who, over the years, have continued the exploration of consciousness.

 

[Veda]

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If we do help people that's fantastic

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Yes it is.

 

[Bill]

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The reactive/analytical mind and the early stuff are good ideas.
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What you don't seem to understand is that reactive mind, while interesting, wasn't a "good idea'. It was never proven.

But more than that, as time has gone by, it was definitively disproven.

Remember how the Reactive Mind was described? It was the cause of all a person's problems -- and Clear, the removal of the Reactive Mind, resulted in the miraculous cessation of all those problems.

"Clears' have no such results -- and none are promised. There is no "Reactive Mind" so the alleged "erasure" of that fictitious "mind" can't result in any benefit at all. It doesn't exist, as proven by the tens of thousands of "Clears" that have been declared in the last 70 years.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

I joined ESMB many years ago for the laughter and the sheer fun of being with so many like-minded fabulous people ... and that's why I'm still here after 12 years.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Vinaire once offered me trial sessions in IDENICS. He is retired now in Clearwater, I think. His geography, near Tampa, is full of exes who are tech trained.

I cringe at the idea that someone may try to sell Superpower to freeman. I was luck and found an Indie auditor in Tampa who once ran a mission. She was also trained by Ragnhild Malnati in TIR. She gave me the course materials. Exes are everywhere and many have moved on to less dangerous things.

Idenics and KHTK

John Galusha and L. Ron Hubbard Idenics has had a wonderful influence in the development of KHTK (Mindfulness), and this should be acknowledged. Idenics helped set up the bridge of understanding be…

vinaire.me

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

I'll Try again.

During the late 1940s, Hubbard wrote in his Affirmations that the psychology he had developed should not be applied to himself, that he was already a Master.

According to his oldest son, Ron Jr., who was there through the 1950s, his father felt he should not be audited.

Reading success stories from other people, Hubbard broke his own rule, and did auditing on himself.

Ultimately, this became an obsession, and Hubbard may have become addicted to the electrical current that flows from the e-meter.

During 1983, Van Morrison was briefly involved with Scientology. He wrote this song in recognition and celebration of the mystics and poets, and others, who, over the years, have continued the exploration of consciousness.

"Thanks For The Information" (on the "No Guru, No Method, No Teacher" album) is supposed to be about Scientology, though as far as I know he hasn't explicitly said so.

Van Morrison - Thanks For The Information Lyrics | SongMeanings

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Pro tip: I hate to spoil the party fellas, but I like to break down deep philosophical
questions to a single key question, which then provides an easily digestible answer,
of sorts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And that key question is: What did all this science and "exacting methodology" do
for its founder, L Ron Hubbard. How did he end up? Where is he now? How's he doing?
How was his mental health? This is important. (I guess that's five questions.)

That's the only question anyone should ever ask or look into when weighing whether
to do some technique or not. How did its founder or inventor turn out?

I won't bore readers on the thread with one of my many previous rants, but will say,
"the truth is out there."

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That would be an "ideal" post to start a whole new thread, so let's get this party started: .

"WHY RON'S 100% WORKABLE TECH DIDN'T WORK ON RON"

link to new thread


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[The_Fixer]

I understand some people dont like Grant Cardone and his personality. My experiance with him was buying his books and watching his videos on youtube. For me this resulted in my income going from 3,000/mo to 6,000/mo. Noteably because of the book Sell or Be Sold and the Closers Survival Guide Iphone App. Going from 3,000/mo to 6,000 is life changing.

I definantly empathise with the terrible experiances and money people lost with no gain in their experiance with Scientology. The brainwashing manual, Rons decent into madness and alterier motives from the beginning. All the pressure ect. All things I think are terrible and unethical.

What I dont get though, and what I would really like to understand. Is why so many very successful people are scientologists.

Whatever your oppinion is on Grant. Hes not lying in this video. He had 3 employees 15 years ago and now has a jet and is very successful.

I know money isnt everything but how is that possible?

Appologise for the spelling errors. I am on mobile.

Most well to do Scientologists make their money outside scientology. They are the type of people who would do well with or without it. Unless the cult breaks them first, as it has done with so many.

You will not usually find the wealthy people on staff or in the Sea Org. They are smart enough to know that is a financial dead end.

It is easier for them to make the wealth and throw the money around when required to, whilst also not being silly enough to ruin themselves as well.

It's a very different ballgame for those people in the cult. They usually get better treatment because the cult is aware of their cash value to them.

At the end of the day, there really aren't all that many highly successful people in scientology. They would be very much in the minority. Let's look at it in a different way. The vast MAJORITY of successful people are not (or never have been) scientologists and would not be silly enough to be one. Here's a little tip.... If they were so successful, why would they need it?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Don't get me wrong, I liked your rainbow colored "wave" beings. Very diverse TOCs! (thetans of color).

However, I felt it would be an overt of omission to not mention that I audited all my wave emojis up to CLEAR and they now are all perfectly synched--and stand up precisely at the same exact moment!

HELPFUL TIP: You should really get your emoji's moving on up their Bridges! Once they have erased their reactive minds, you'll find that you can rather easily convince them to wear nautical costumes, carry clipboards and sign billion year contracts.

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[I told you I was trouble]

Most well to do Scientologists make their money outside scientology. They are the type of people who would do well with or without it. Unless the cult breaks them first, as it has done with so many.

You will not usually find the wealthy people on staff or in the Sea Org. They are smart enough to know that is a financial dead end.

It is easier for them to make the wealth and throw the money around when required to, whilst also not being silly enough to ruin themselves as well.

It's a very different ballgame for those people in the cult. They usually get better treatment because the cult is aware of their cash value to them.

At the end of the day, there really aren't all that many highly successful people in scientology. They would be very much in the minority. Let's look at it in a different way. The vast MAJORITY of successful people are not (or never have been) scientologists and would not be silly enough to be one. Here's a little tip.... If they were so successful, why would they need it?

What was the name of the 'wealthy and successful' scientologist (OT8 from memory) who murdered his business partner and then tried to top himself, failed and ended up in a jail cell with part of his head blown off? Can anyone remember his name?

He was an example of what the cult does to break people if ever I saw one and there are many, many more.

I expect he's still in jail ... and so he should be.

 

[Dotey OT]

To start, Grant Cardone does not know the true data in regards to scientology. If he did and is still active in spite of that, that would be very stupid. So let us say that he doesn't know or is very stupid.

Let us say Grant Cardone is successful. I don't have a copy of his personal financial statement. I haven't seen his P&L's or balance sheets from his business entities. Maybe he is or maybe he isn't successful. I guess that isn't tremendously important. He boasts that he is. People believe it since he says it is.

Does Grant Cardone say that his success comes from scientology? I guess he does.

Does he really know scientology? I bet he doesn't really know the truth. In fact, is extremely unlikely that he knows about Bluebird motor homes, Vistaril, Alistair Crowley or Jack Parsons. In fact, I guess all that isn't important.

I met with someone this weekend that spoke about who really wrote most of the Treasury references in scientology. The old fart hated dealing with it. He only wanted the money not to get spent so he could get more. Well, all that isn't important either, really.

So to review, after receiving some advice from Grant Cardone and applying it and increasing one's income caused one then to want to be like Grant Cardone, because Grant says that he is successful because of scientology, seems to be great idea.

Knock yourself out.

I think the basic problem is confirmation bias, it appears to have worked so Grant is right, so scientology is right.

Knock yourself out.

 

[Type4_PTS]

Emphasis mine.



No it isn't.

The primary objective of ESMBR is the same as it was on the previous board ... Meet other exes, Share your experiences. Reunite with old friends.
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While that IS true, those things are very helpful for someone leaving CoS, especially back in the early days of the original ESMB when there wasn't as much opportunity to do those things.

Sharing your experiences with the few people who can really understand them, others who also exited the CoS, was very therapeutic, to say the least.

 

[Type4_PTS]

What was the name of the 'wealthy and successful' scientologist (OT8 from memory) who murdered his business partner and then tried to top himself, failed and ended up in a jail cell with part of his head blown off? Can anyone remember his name?

He was an example of what the cult does to break people if ever I saw one and there are many, many more.

I expect he's still in jail ... and so he should be.

Rex Fowler

 

[Type4_PTS]

OK Here ya go.

It might get a little uncomfortable in the personal section.


There are many things that the Books, Lectures, and Free online courses are helping me with.

Professional:


1. Organization - I have Rons lectures on organization and have taken the tools for life course. It has helped me immensely.

2. The Tone Scale - Why is it that I can be a fairly "smart" person. Yet I am unable to get my production to the level that I know I am capable of. The tone scale answered this for me. It is because I am unable to produce 'free theta' (I dont know if thats the correct terminology) when I am in a bored or apathetical mood. The higher I am up the tone scale, the more productive I am. The more creative I can think. Ect. Therefore I keep my work area clean and aesthetic, never read bad news or tolerate negativity, put art up around my work space and I am more productive. It works.
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There are occasions freeman where it is important to read bad news, even if it would bring you down on the tone scale.

I know Hubbard teaches to avoid it at all costs, but that's one of the ways he uses to suck people into a cult.

Here's a post from Jefferson Hawkins who can explain it much better than I.

How Does Scientology Take Over a Mind? Jefferson Hawkins Tells Us About “PTS”

How Does Scientology Take Over a Mind? Jefferson Hawkins Tells Us About “PTS” | The Underground Bunker

tonyortega.org

How Does Scientology Take Over a Mind? Jefferson Hawkins Tells Us About “PTS”

By Tony Ortega | December 6, 2013

Jefferson Hawkins was once the top marketing executive for the Church of Scientology and helped it reach its greatest extent with the famous “volcano” TV ads in the 1980s. He’s told his tale of getting into and out of the church with his excellent books Counterfeit Dreams and Leaving Scientology, and he’s helping us understand the upside-down world of Scientology “ethics.”

Where are you taking us this week, Jeff?

JEFFERSON: Last week, we looked at the first half of Chapter 7, all about the Suppressive Person. This week, we’re taking a look at the second part of that chapter, Potential Trouble Source, or PTS.

THE BUNKER: Walk us through the concept of PTS and why it was first devised.

JEFFERSON: One of the hallmarks of any authoritarian group or cult is information control, or, as Robert Jay Lifton calls it, milieu control. They have to be able to control the information that their members receive, and particularly to block them from receiving any negative information about the group or its leaders. An authoritarian group or cult can only exist in a bubble of controlled, positive information.

THE BUNKER: I can understand how that is done in, say, North Korea, where the government controls the media, but how do you accomplish that in a free society, where information is readily available — particularly with the Internet?

JEFFERSON: As Orwell pointed out in his novel 1984, “mind control” is not someone else controlling your mind, like a robot. True mind control is the person controlling his or her own mind according to the dictates of the group. This is done using thought-stopping mechanisms.

<snip> (see full post at above link)

 

[Dark]

Well if your response to a thread in which a man explaines his abusive upbringing and that he was forced to teach himself through all grades is to poke fun at a deficiency in spelling then you are a very spiritually weak man and I pitty you. And if “Dark” is a reference to the left hand path, I think that is the most limp wristed and flabby thing there is.

Isnt it ovbious that Ron lost his mind? The reactive/analytical mind and the early stuff are good ideas. It isnt until later that the auditing past lives, body thetans, zenu, and that story where he claims hes the anti christ come along.

Sounds like Ron had at least some level of brightness in his early years and slowly lost his mind. Seems like it started to get bad when he was auditing himself which is around the time the body thetans ect came along.

Veda I have not yet but I do intend to do so.

If you are indeed a real person and not a fake osa poster then here is some logical advice
scn is a vicious trap. don't think you are clever enough to get naked with them and not get sucked in
stop ignoring all the true advice from the posters here that have dozens of years of experience with scn
millions of people got involved in scn before you, and they ran away screaming. there are maybe 50K people in scn today
there are not "many successful people in scn", is a handful, and they stay in with ego, they imagine that they will get superpowers
the written word is a communication method, and professional success depends on word control. using a spellchecker will teach

Learn from this guy. He is not a predator and a parasite. Hubbard was. Miscavige is.

 

[Enthetan]

There are some wealthy people in Scientology. If you don't have money, and are not interested in being on staff, then Scientology doesn't want you. People who can't afford services tend to drift off, and you never hear about them.

People who join staff, and then leave (whether or not they complete their contracts), you don't hear about (except sometimes here)

I was at the beginning of a successful career before Scientology, and am reasonable successful now. Looking back, Scientology had a negative impact on my life's success. I'm not complaining, I am reasonably well off, my kids never got involved (one of the reasons I left was to shield my kids from SO recruiters), and I have grandkids whom I enjoy.

 

[Riddick]

I understand some people dont like Grant Cardone and his personality. My experiance with him was buying his books and watching his videos on youtube. For me this resulted in my income going from 3,000/mo to 6,000/mo. Noteably because of the book Sell or Be Sold and the Closers Survival Guide Iphone App. Going from 3,000/mo to 6,000 is life changing.

I definantly empathise with the terrible experiances and money people lost with no gain in their experiance with Scientology. The brainwashing manual, Rons decent into madness and alterier motives from the beginning. All the pressure ect. All things I think are terrible and unethical.

What I dont get though, and what I would really like to understand. Is why so many very successful people are scientologists.

Whatever your oppinion is on Grant. Hes not lying in this video. He had 3 employees 15 years ago and now has a jet and is very successful.

I know money isnt everything but how is that possible?

Appologise for the spelling errors. I am on mobile.

Grant reminds me of, how history repeats itself of snake salesman. There was Dale Carnegie. There was Napoleon Hill. There was Carlton Sheets, many others, in many other fields of interest, how to be successful, how to get rich, how to go clear and OT. And there was L Ron Hubbard. All selling books and lectures, books make booms, LOL And they sure do, LOL. What a racket.

Dale Carnegie - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Napoleon Hill - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Carleton H. Sheets - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Veda]

Grant reminds me of, how history repeats itself of snake salesman. There was Dale Carnegie. There was Napoleon Hill. There was Carlton Sheets, many others, in many other fields of interest, how to be successful, how to get rich, how to go clear and OT. And there was L Ron Hubbard. All selling books and lectures, books make booms, LOL And they sure do, LOL. What a racket.

Dale Carnegie - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Napoleon Hill - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Carleton H. Sheets - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your opinion of Napoleon Hill, and especially Dale Carnegie, seems unnecessarily harsh.

What's your opinion of As Man Thinketh from 1903?

 

[Riddick]

Your opinion of Napoleon Hill, and especially Dale Carnegie, seems unnecessarily harsh.

What's your opinion of As Man Thinketh from 1903?

never heard of it. What's your opinion of Edmund Burke book The Sublime and the Beautiful? Compare it to scientology. Compare it to anything.

Hill and Dale said some good things, no doubt.

The Project Gutenberg eBook of Burke's Writings and Speeches, Volume the First, by Edmund Burke.

 

[onceuponatime]

I understand some people dont like Grant Cardone and his personality. My experiance with him was buying his books and watching his videos on youtube. For me this resulted in my income going from 3,000/mo to 6,000/mo. Noteably because of the book Sell or Be Sold and the Closers Survival Guide Iphone App. Going from 3,000/mo to 6,000 is life changing.

I definantly empathise with the terrible experiances and money people lost with no gain in their experiance with Scientology. The brainwashing manual, Rons decent into madness and alterier motives from the beginning. All the pressure ect. All things I think are terrible and unethical.

What I dont get though, and what I would really like to understand. Is why so many very successful people are scientologists.

Whatever your oppinion is on Grant. Hes not lying in this video. He had 3 employees 15 years ago and now has a jet and is very successful.

I know money isnt everything but how is that possible?

Appologise for the spelling errors. I am on mobile.

Grant was successful before getting into scientology. Yes, he has become more successful since getting in but he was already on that trajectory before any involvement in scientology. Do more research into his life. Don't just listen to what he says (all scientologists are going to attribute their success to scientology). When did he get involved in scientology? When did he become a millionaire?