Hello - Can I Take Scientology Extension Courses With Materials Purchased Used On Ebay?

Xenu Xenu Xenu

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You could always start your own religion/therapy. You wouldn't even need to get any followers. You could be the only member. I am not saying it would be easy. Even Ron didn't come up with all of it overnight. You just have to think really hard about life, the mind and the spirit. A trip to the library also helps because you can borrow ideas from various books on religion, the occult, and psychology. Then all you have to do is try out your new techniques on yourself. If it doesn't work, then back to the drawing board until you find something that works.

It certainly wouldn't be any worse than anything Hubbard ever came up with. I would do it myself except I stopped buying into that shit a long time ago.
 

The_Fixer

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You could always start your own religion/therapy. You wouldn't even need to get any followers. You could be the only member. I am not saying it would be easy. Even Ron didn't come up with all of it overnight. You just have to think really hard about life, the mind and the spirit. A trip to the library also helps because you can borrow ideas from various books on religion, the occult, and psychology. Then all you have to do is try out your new techniques on yourself. If it doesn't work, then back to the drawing board until you find something that works.

It certainly wouldn't be any worse than anything Hubbard ever came up with. I would do it myself except I stopped buying into that shit a long time ago.
A track record of pretty nutty behaviour is somewhat handy as well...
 

The_Fixer

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Pretty much this.

This thread really has me thinking about learning everything on my own that I want to learn. Mainly the books and there respective lectures, the congresses, the ACC.

I'm sure I will want to get audited then though.

Is it a bad idea to let The Church do that?

I have been audited once and I thought it went pretty well. I was very apprehensive though because of all the negative news and things like that.

One of those websites you post above led me to find all of the materials available for download. So that makes it very easy to learn what I want to learn.

What do you think about the auditing?

No joining staff, no sea org, no massive purchases on books and things..

Its going to be tough reading through all that material and writing notes in a notepad next to the books and lectures and not wanting to try out the auditing I just learned about.

However, I do understand the greed, high pressure, cult like nature, and other peoples bad experiences....I would certainly look out for the signs of the bad experiences people have shared with me.

I want it to help me make money too as well as the spiritual stuff.

You seem like a very knowledgeable and experienced person Veda.
Short answer is, not to let the church do anything for you. That's an absolute.

There is always the pressure to join staff of Sea Org going on in the background. If you don't have all that much money and stay as a public, you will not be held in very high regard. A dilettante to use Hubbard's expression. Rich or no, the public is also under constant pressure to make donations and to buy courses and services. The cult won't be able to survive without it. If they aren't actively doing it to you, then they will find themselves in big trouble from above. It's all set up to run that way. The higher up you go in the church (especially in the Sea Org), the more violence in its various forms comes into play to ensure your obedience and to lock you into line. There is zero compassion in there for others.

Remember, all this *technology* was written back in the 50s era and a lot of it has been superseded and/or debunked. Much of it was never even really true. The learned behaviour patterns from within are quite harmful to many people's lives, not beneficial.

If it comes out (and it will) that you have participated here, and sourced materials from outside the church, a whole new world of drama will ensue for you. They have very little tolerance here.

You seriously still want to play with them after learning all that?
 

freeman37373

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To be very specific to your question about auditing: Satisfy your curiosity, but don't do it with the Church of Scn. Why subject yourself to all the bullshit? And believe me you are going to encounter a lot of it if you choose to do it in an "Org". Just the fact that you've posted here would to cause you a pile of grief at some point. Find an indi auditor. You will avoid the trials and tribulations of dealing with an "Org" and it will cost you a fraction of the price.

How can I find an Indi Auditor? I am in Colorado and can't find anything on Google.

Short answer is, not to let the church do anything for you. That's an absolute.

There is always the pressure to join staff of Sea Org going on in the background. If you don't have all that much money and stay as a public, you will not be held in very high regard. A dilettante to use Hubbard's expression. Rich or no, the public is also under constant pressure to make donations and to buy courses and services. The cult won't be able to survive without it. If they aren't actively doing it to you, then they will find themselves in big trouble from above. It's all set up to run that way. The higher up you go in the church (especially in the Sea Org), the more violence in its various forms comes into play to ensure your obedience and to lock you into line. There is zero compassion in there for others.

Remember, all this *technology* was written back in the 50s era and a lot of it has been superseded and/or debunked. Much of it was never even really true. The learned behaviour patterns from within are quite harmful to many people's lives, not beneficial.

If it comes out (and it will) that you have participated here, and sourced materials from outside the church, a whole new world of drama will ensue for you. They have very little tolerance here.

You seriously still want to play with them after learning all that?
No I don't want to play with them now hah. I have already felt the pressure to join staff and give them all my money which I could tell would never be enough. I've only visited twice.

How is it that some people swear by it like Grant Cardone for example. I am a big fan of his and he swears up and down that the life repair course ect was a big help for him and he talks about Scientology ideas all the time.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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FREEMAN FAQ:


Q: This thread really has me thinking about learning everything on my own that I want to learn. Mainly the books and there respective lectures, the congresses, the ACC.
A: Excellent! When you are reading the 1950 Dianetics book, you can watch/listen to the congress lecture where Dr. Hubbard says that Dianetics does not produce a Clear. If you get a spinny feeling and migraine headache from the sheer audacity of the contradictions, you can then buy and do the Student Hat course in order to remedy your barriers to study.

Q: I'm sure I will want to get audited then though.
A: I couldn't agree more with your conclusion! I have a similar philosophy, which is why when I am buying something on Amazon and the customer reviews are 97.5% negative and call it a rip off, I always buy from that vendor. Like you, I don't listen to the mob because as Ron discovered, the only thing humans can agree upon is bank think.

Q: Is it a bad idea to let The Church do that?
A: Definitely not! It's an outstanding idea to pay the Church of Scientology at least $600,000 to overwhelm your mind sufficiently to give you the delusional certainty that you have miraculous supernatural powers.

Q: I have been audited once and I thought it went pretty well. I was very apprehensive though because of all the negative news and things like that.
A: Anyone would be apprehensive if they listened to the horrifically negative news about Scientology. However that entheta is all coming from ex-Scientologists who escaped. You would be better off listening to people who had no experience with Scientology. They tend to be so much more uptone and theta.

Q: What do you think about the auditing?
A: It's fantastic. But I suggest you skip the first 7-10 years of auditing in order to attain Clear which is a total waste of time. Because when you finally blow a decade and a few hundred grand, all that happens is you get an r-factor that you are "at great risk" due to OT III. Besides, none of the people who went Clear have any of the results, abilities or powers that Clears are supposed to have. You are much better off starting your auditing with OT III where you start hunting for 75 million year old dead space aliens that are stuck to your body. Sure, it costs a mega fortune and derails your entire life for decades, but at least when you are done it's all worthwhile--because they give you a jumbo-sized completion certificate and people fanatically applaud whatever you say in your testimonial speech.

Q: It's going to be tough reading through all that material and writing notes in a notepad next to the books and lectures and not wanting to try out the auditing I just learned about.
A: You are right, it would be tough to resist the urge to try out Ron's auditing commands on yourself. But there is good news! That's why Ron invented "solo auditing". All you have to do is slightly change the wording of the auditing command. For example, in the Creation of Human Ability process known as the "one shot clear", Ron gives you a magical command which instantly exteriorizes 50% of all preclears on this planet. Just tweak the command from "Be 3 feet back of your head" to "Be 3 feet back of my head" and you will suddenly be able to travel around the entire galaxy without your MEST body. Ron calls this "The Grand Tour" and if you are one of the unlucky ones who don't exteriorize on that command, don't worry. You can simply get a short auditing review (usually 10 minutes or less) to blow the charge that is preventing you from joining all of us out here in deep space.

Q: However, I do understand the greed, high pressure, cult like nature, and other peoples bad experiences....I would certainly look out for the signs of the bad experiences people have shared with me.
A: As long as you "look out for the signs of the bad experiences" they won't be able to trick, con or lie to you. Scientologists will also help you in this regard because they always give r-factors first that they are about to defraud you.

Q: I want it to help me make money too as well as the spiritual stuff.
A: Scientology will certainly help you make money. When Ron left the planet he had hundreds of millions of dollars. And David Miscavige has several billion dollars. So this is proof that Scientology holds the key to unlocking infinite financial prosperity. If you flow money to them, I can't think of any reason they wouldn't be willing to share their secrets!
 

Harold#1

A VERY STABLE SUPER GENIUS!!
How can I find an Indi Auditor? I am in Colorado and can't find anything on Google.



No I don't want to play with them now hah. I have already felt the pressure to join staff and give them all my money which I could tell would never be enough. I've only visited twice.

How is it that some people swear by it like Grant Cardone for example. I am a big fan of his and he swears up and down that the life repair course ect was a big help for him and he talks about Scientology ideas all the time.
Grant Cardone is void of conscience and common sense.
 
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mimsey borogrove

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If you want an auditor, Trey Lotz is well trained and still believes in the tech. He may know someone in Colorado, or you can come to him. I did courses with Trey back when I was a Scientologist, but Scientology and I have since parted company. If you are actually serious, he's your man. Very ethical, nice guy. I like Trey a lot.

TreyLotz.com is his web site.

Mimsey
 

HelluvaHoax!

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If you need Hubbard's "formulas" to be able to work out what's wrong and how to improve things, then, perhaps, you DO need Scientology. Personally, I found common sense worked a whole lot better, but that's just me.
I would agree with you that thoughtful common sense sometimes is helpful. But in certain situations where there is a dramatically crashed statistic (i.e. a "Danger Condition") one has to rely on higher levels than mere human thinking.

example: A business associate of mine owned a New York based company whose headquarters was in the World Trade Center that was destroyed in the 911 terror attacks. Tragically all but a few of the employees were killed and for many months afterwards that company had severely crashed statistics. The Chairman and major stockholder called me to ask for advice. I referred him to Ron's DANGER FORMULA and advised him to immediately order the remaining survivors to apply the steps of the Danger Formula by:

- - confessing all their crimes in an "O/W writeup"

- - discover their "out ethics situation" that caused the crashed stats.


And I warned him not to be fooled by PR or justifications about the crashed stats by allowing his employees to blame it on airplanes that crashed into the buildings. I advised him that he should demand that his staff take full responsibility for the down-stats and not try and blame it on "terrorists" and other people who didn't even work for the firm!

Hopefully you can now see how foolish your "common sense" concept would be in such an event. You would be blaming Osama Bin Laden for your company's lack of production even though he is 9000 miles away. That's crazy! The real "WHY" would be that the people who worked in World Trade Towers had personal out ethics situations which resulted in the stats (and the building) going down.

If you still feel perplexed about all this, just work it out in clay until you get a win. But I can tell you right now that if you ask for a checkout on your clay demo and i see even one little clay figure of a bearded terrorist flying an airplane, I am going to give you a flunk!

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HelluvaHoax!

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@freeman37373

Once they find out you have been talking to us (and they will) they'll demand that you pay for extra intensives so they can 'pull your overts and withholds and check if you are PTS' (a potential trouble source) and anything else they can think of ... so perhaps you should do as Veda suggests if you really want to go down the auditing path, but I hope you realise that it is a very old (1950's) technique that has been improved many times over outside of the cult and it has a crazy side.

And "they" will also demand that he/she sign a written agreement to NEVER AGAIN go on SP websites or any place on the internet that is critical of or makes fun of Scientology.

Seriously, ain't no theory---he'll have to sign that.

And then for the rest of eternity he will have to instantly "disconnect" from all people and places that are not in lockstep agreement with everything that L. Ron Hubbard proclaimed in his "sacred scripture".

All of these massive infringements, censorships and restrictions on what one can read, hear or watch are all included for no extra cost in Scientology's "TOTAL FREEDOM PACKAGE"!

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Veda

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How can I find an Indi Auditor? I am in Colorado and can't find anything on Google.
Here are two renamed applications of some positive aspects of Scientology. Scientology is very proprietary, thus things are renamed.

Don't know if the contact information is up to date, but there's no harm in checking it out.

Metapsychology practitioners

Idenics

That's a start.

No I don't want to play with them now hah. I have already felt the pressure to join staff and give them all my money which I could tell would never be enough. I've only visited twice.

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The_Fixer

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How can I find an Indi Auditor? I am in Colorado and can't find anything on Google.



No I don't want to play with them now hah. I have already felt the pressure to join staff and give them all my money which I could tell would never be enough. I've only visited twice.

How is it that some people swear by it like Grant Cardone for example. I am a big fan of his and he swears up and down that the life repair course ect was a big help for him and he talks about Scientology ideas all the time.
Glad to hear that at least.

Grant Cardone has been getting heat for unconscionable conduct in the real estate business world lately, so I'd hardly view him as a poster boy.
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation.
How can I find an Indi Auditor? I am in Colorado and can't find anything on Google.



No I don't want to play with them now hah. I have already felt the pressure to join staff and give them all my money which I could tell would never be enough. I've only visited twice.

How is it that some people swear by it like Grant Cardone for example. I am a big fan of his and he swears up and down that the life repair course ect was a big help for him and he talks about Scientology ideas all the time.
The cofs keep records on everyone. Anything and everything that people have disclosed whether in auditing, ethics interviews or knowledge reports is sitting in their files, just in case they ever need it.

Celebs (Cruise, Travolta and Alley) tend to want to remain in the good books with the cult so every so often they spout all the right super positive noises and 'donate' money to the cofs regularly. Most will continue to do so forever ... I expect you can work out why that is, especially in Cardone's case.

:whistle:
 

Riddick

I clap to no man
How can I find an Indi Auditor? I am in Colorado and can't find anything on Google.



No I don't want to play with them now hah. I have already felt the pressure to join staff and give them all my money which I could tell would never be enough. I've only visited twice.

How is it that some people swear by it like Grant Cardone for example. I am a big fan of his and he swears up and down that the life repair course ect was a big help for him and he talks about Scientology ideas all the time.
"How is it that some people swear by it like Grant Cardone for example. I am a big fan of his and he swears up and down that the life repair course ect was a big help for him and he talks about Scientology ideas all the time. "

You have to ask yourself how come other well known people involved in Dianetics and scientology from the get go and even later are no longer involved and why. This is called due diligence.

"Due diligence is an investigation, audit, or review performed to confirm the facts of a matter under consideration."

The first fact you should investigate is there a clear or OT.
 

Incognito

Member
Please check out Brendan burchard for help with business he will help you organise things ... Check out ptsd counsellors there are many...also check out the emotion code practitioners. They help you over come past traumas and uncover things and people get amazing results. It's a fraction of the cost of Scientology. You have to work with someone who knows how to reprogram what you learnt in childhood. I dont think Scientology does this I think you will be asked in scn what you did to cause your situation in childhood which may give you a momentary high when it boosts your ego and makes you cause but it won't reprogram you ...narcissistic abuse counsellors use different techniques to do this and you will need to research the right ones. Start with YouTube . Caroline strawson has a technique. Also check out Dr ramini and many others.



OK Here ya go.

It might get a little uncomfortable in the personal section.


There are many things that the Books, Lectures, and Free online courses are helping me with.

Professional:


1. Organization - I have Rons lectures on organization and have taken the tools for life course. It has helped me immensely.

2. The Tone Scale - Why is it that I can be a fairly "smart" person. Yet I am unable to get my production to the level that I know I am capable of. The tone scale answered this for me. It is because I am unable to produce 'free theta' (I dont know if thats the correct terminology) when I am in a bored or apathetical mood. The higher I am up the tone scale, the more productive I am. The more creative I can think. Ect. Therefore I keep my work area clean and aesthetic, never read bad news or tolerate negativity, put art up around my work space and I am more productive. It works.

3. The 7 Devision Org Board - I am trying to build a consulting business. Understanding the idea of "hats" and keeping my production hat on and not jumping from my sales hat to my production hat to my accounting hat has made me 100x more productive. Previously I would, in a way, confuse my mind by jumping around to much and not saying on tasks of the same category.

I remember a couple of months ago before I got more serious about Scientology going to the book store every day for 3-4 days trying to find answers. I spent hours in there each day. I bought a few books. The Harvard Business Review books were OK. But it wasn't what I was looking for. Not one book in that store had the answers I was looking for.

I thought to myself.."where did I see that mental image I have..hmm oh yeah its the 7 devision org board." I then thought to myself, "why am I messing about in this book store when I know where the answers are to the questions I have?" I went home and bought all the books used off Amazon and started doing the free tools for life courses.

4. The Problems of Work - the idea of start change stop. This idea and book have helped me immensely. When I am not producing. What is the problem? Is the problem that I have a hard time starting?? Am I not getting enough sleep? Does having cup of coffee ready help? No. The problem today is not getting started. Today I am staying on the same task to long and over analyze to death so the problem is changing what task I am doing. Or is that a problem with not being able to stop? As you can see I dont have it all down cold but you get the idea of how this has effected my thinking and its helping me.



Personal:

1. My parents were narcissistic and abusive in that respect. I was force homeschooled my whole life and at 16 I was told I could never have friends again and my mother basically screamed at me and programmed me with self destructive programming 2-3 nights per week until 2-5am. They threw me out at 20 and I was homeless before living with a friend. It was a doozy. I got a job selling cars after not being able to go any further in college due to the circumstances and survived.

From 16-30 I have not made a single friend (the friend above was made at 13). I am not capable. I am not capable (saying it again for emphasis) of making friends, or anything more then basic social interactions (going to luch with somebody for example is intermediate), because the abuse is triggered when I socialize with people. I go into fight or flight mode at random and 15 years later its not going away. Its getting worse because the more failures the more engrams.

Example: Coworkers say "come out after work" I say no and they get very offended like "wtf is wrong with this guy." what a jerk" "hes weird blah blah blah." I say yes, and I go out with coworkers and what happens is the abuse from childhood gets triggered. All of the sudden I am in fight or flight mode out of nowhere.

I go out of my frontal cortex and into my phiso animal and I cant get out. I freeze and sweat. Understand, nothing is going on and everything is fine when this happens. All frontal cortex functions, like talking for example, shut down and I can’t get it back on. I don't just get up and leave. Iv only been there 10 minutes. I do my best slipping in and out of these modes of flashbacks, and very bad social attempts, plus the fear of how people are perceiving this. People notice and I am from then on forever ostracized. I now have to be around people that ostracize me every day.

I have read books on therapy. Yes its nice to know what was wrong and what was abuse back in those days. But its not helping me stop the self destructive programming that is going on deep in core of the onion that is my psyche or anything else. It just confirms that what happened was wrong.

Scientology has given me a blueprint I can work with regardless of auditing. I know what is happening from a more workable perspective now. I am reacting to abuse from the past. ect. Ect. Before I didn’t know what was going on. For years I didn’t know what was happening. These terrible events would take place and I had no clue the two were related.

Its hard for me to articulate over a forum post but know that this is a problem I cant solve alone or with traditional sit on a couch a whine about it therapy because it is a two sided coin which I go into further bellow.

Heres another personal example of how Scientology has helped me: I used to run dramatizations in my bedroom of the abuse until I would be physically sick and exhausted. (psycosomaic illness) Completely drained of all life and energy.

This would just start happening without my knowing it was happening. It was like I didn’t even know it wasn’t normal. It was just another few days mid week for me.

For days I would be reacting to abuse that happened 15 years ago and it would make me extremely paranoid like a child that doesnt know when hes gonna get struck again. I know that all of the brain chemicals like cortisol and neuro adrenaline were flooding my brain when this is going on and I couldnt stop. Alone, isolated in my room, coming out only for food amped up on adrenalin, cortisol, and paranoid. This causes permanent brain damage by the way. The constant flood of chemicals shrink the frontal cortex and enlarges the amygdala. This was happening only a month ago and as far as I knew it was totally normal.

I heard Ron talk about dramatizations and now it has stopped. Just understanding what was happening from the way Ron thought about it stopped it cold. STOPPED IT DEAD IN ITS TRACKS. I’m just trying to be honest here.

But its more than "aww poor baby sit on a couch and wine about it in therapy." This is a problem that "therapy" cant solve because its a two sided coin.

On one side is the abuse and what scientology calls engrams the other side is that I have next to zero experience with the outside world because I was locked in that house.

I have my parents underlying philosophy on things. I see things through the lens they gave me because thats 80% of what I grew up with. The core of the onion of my slant on life is theirs

From 16-21 during my most important formative years I was alone in a house with crazy people who hated me. Hated me. I have their philosophy on life, on myself, and everything else because it is mostly all that I have ever been exposed to.

There was a very short time I was exposed to the skateboarding culture and that was a massive benefit for me but it cant over ride the abuse programming. I have tried skateboarding again at 29 to try to trigger that type of thinking but it didn’t work.

This is where things like the 8 dynamics, tone scale, and stuff helps more than. “read books like “How To Win Friends And Influence People" again for the 5th time" to get better social skills or “read Jordan Petersons 12 Rules For Life and just relax and cheer up.”

People who think like this don’t understand how this doesn’t help if your foundation is total bonkers.

Reading “people want to feel important” (thats from How To Win Friends And Influence People) doesn’t help in my case.

“Everything a person does is to help his survival” works more then “make everybody feel important” because it helps to understand the core of humanity not a gimmick to get a sale.

LRH gets at the core of the onion, the root of the subject so that you have a firm foundation to base everything else off of. The other people just get 1 layer into the onion and write a tips book.

Other philosophers are very macro “what is life” “what is the meaning of life” Rons philosophy is micro and is workable. Not mental masturbation. No disrespect to them and I do like their work but its not the same.

This is important - Even if Scientology isnt correct about everything or if Ron stole every word I dont care because its the only thing that can get micro enough and to the root enough to be applicable to every aspect of life and help me over ride the philosophy that the abusers programmed me with.

For example: People want the best for themselves, then their family, then their race or group, then mankind, then the animals, then the universe.

That works. That is a linchpin I can base everything else off of. I don’t care if its not what some other person agrees with. I don’t care that LRH wans’t a Jesus figure. It is something that WORKS.

Before I learned this idea everything social happened completely at random I had no control over anything, everything was chaos. I was unable to see the patterns of behavior myself.

People can say to themselves “this is common knowledge” like the ARC triangle for example. Good for you got lucky. You just got lucky in your earlier years.

I have to have a working philosophy for every single little thing that can come in life and I am going to have to drill it into my head to override the philosophy that my parents forced upon me.

I need a philosophy that will work. "work is good because if you don't work you will slowly go mad, work is the stable datum of society, work gives you a place in society. When we think about people who cant work we think about people in prison ect." THAT WORKS.

Understand that I am not stupid here. I understand hard selling. I get that they want all my money, which I don't really have. I have a strong ability to think for myself which is why I am confident that I wont become a cult member or something. (I get the irony of that statement)

I feel bad for people that spent their life savings. It shouldn't be that expensive. It sounds like the Catholic Church selling indulgences. But I have to have more. I have to have everything....

I am hoping to get more of the above out of Scientology.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Pre-session questions for Freeman:

If you knew for a fact that L. Ron Hubbard was a pathological liar and a con man who profited hundreds of millions of dollars by defrauding others with ridiculous promises of "advanced abilities" and "powers" that nobody (including himself) ever achieved, would you still want to pay someone to audit you with his "processes"?

What if you knew for a fact that L. Ron Hubbard ran every single process and rundown that ever existed (on himself), yet he ended up severely mentally ill, depressed to the point where he tried to kill himself--would you still eagerly be trying to find an auditor to run your mind on those processes because you hope to "achieve the same wins as" Ron?

I find it curious that you eagerly want to follow in the footsteps of a severely mentally ill guru in a nautical costume who believes that he alone is single-handedly saving not only all of mankind but "all beings in the entire universe".

It is difficult for me to imagine why anyone would want to expose themselves to the identical toxic mental "therapy" that drove Scientology's founder to attempted suicide. Did you know that Hubbard ordered one of his most trusted staff members to build an e-meter that would electrocute and kill his body?

If I knew of a place that was running a special sale and offering a discount on such a Hubbard-approved e-meter* would you like to buy one?


* e-meter - electrocution meter


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HelluvaHoax!

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A list of practitioners. . . Trey Lotz. . .There are many others. Select carefully, and never hesitate to walk away if things don't seem right.
When I tried Scientology things didn't seem right and I was about to walk away. However, my auditor checked this on his e-meter and it didn't read. After carefully studying the meter's needle behavior for several long moments, he looked up at me with a wide grin and said: "I'd like to indicate that everything seems right".

Naturally, that indication was a huge relief and I began to have a floating needle.

I am still grateful to this very day for Ron discovering and gifting mankind with all this scientific technology!

My best advice to anyone who wants to receive auditing is to be extremely careful in choosing your auditor and always verify that they have not one (1) but two (2) fully certified e-meters. This is per Dr. Hubbard's scripture, because if the preclear starts running a 735 trillion year old implant and the first meter stops working, your auditor will have a backup meter to get you through the incident. Otherwise, you would be walking around for the rest of your life 735 trillion years out of present time and that could cause people in line behind you at Starbucks to start screaming at you to stop com lagging and pick up your frappuccino.

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Karakorum

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You could always start your own religion/therapy.
OMG, don't encourage people to do that! :omg:

During one of the meetings of the group that gathered regularly to play the Fletcher Pratt naval wargame, one of the participants complained about religion. Allegedly Sprague de Camp provided the same advice as you just did. One of the members of that group was one L.Ron Hubbard.

I think we all know where this story is going.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
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Pre-session questions for Freeman:

If you knew for a fact that L. Ron Hubbard was a pathological liar and a con man who profited hundreds of millions of dollars by defrauding others with ridiculous promises of "advanced abilities" and "powers" that nobody (including himself) ever achieved, would you still want to pay someone to audit you with his "processes"?

What if you knew for a fact that L. Ron Hubbard ran every single process and rundown that ever existed and he ended up severely mentally ill, depressed to the point where he tried to kill himself, would you still eagerly be trying to find an auditor to run your mind on those processes because you hope to "achieve the same wins as" Ron?

I find it curious that you eagerly want to follow in the footsteps of a severely mentally ill guru in a nautical costume who believes that he alone is single-handedly saving not only all of mankind but "all beings in the entire universe".

It is difficult for me to imagine why anyone would want to expose themselves to the identical toxic mental "therapy" that drove Scientology's founder to attempted suicide. Did you know that Hubbard ordered one of his most trusted staff members to build an e-meter that would electrocute and kill his body?

If I knew of a place that was running a special sale and offering a discount on such a Hubbard-approved e-meter* would you like to buy one?


* e-meter - electrocution meter


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Given what he's told us earlier in this thread about his personal issues, the humor might be unhelpful.

Freeman evidently is suffering from serious PTSD issues, and looking for anything which may be helpful.

Having someone to talk to and open up to, may be helpful, as long as he can be sure that the person selected will not take advantage of his vulnerability.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Given what he's told us earlier in this thread about his personal issues, the humor might be unhelpful.

Freeman evidently is suffering from serious PTSD issues, and looking for anything which may be helpful.

Having someone to talk to and open up to, may be helpful, as long as he can be sure that the person selected will not take advantage of his vulnerability.

Oh, I didn't read this thread very carefully, so i did not see anything about PTSD. Thanks for the heads up.

Wishing Freeman finds anything that helps.

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