False flag operations and fake personas

Karakorum

即使我們知道這個世界的悲傷和痛苦,我們的夢想也不會死去
YEAH,
same in Europe . . .

But as an AUDITOR you learn, if a problem does NOT resolve - you kindly ask with good TR's for an EARLIER SIMILAR problem . . .
I wonder what would be the true answer given by scientology to that question? "Was there an earlier problem similar to scientology?
The answers could include: East Germany, the Taiping terror, the Munster rebellion...
 

Karakorum

即使我們知道這個世界的悲傷和痛苦,我們的夢想也不會死去
I find it hilarious that someone outside of the CIA mind-bubble would even consider that the Ukrainian regime fall as a result of CIA actions. Ukraine is a very big, very complex country that has a lot of powerful purely local actors, including the mafia or the oligarchs. CIA alone wouldn't be able to make it budge no matter how hard it tried. Its too big for them. Russia tried several times, failed repeatedly and they had to resort to brute force and open war... and still the government in Kiev was not toppled :LOL:.

CIA couldn't move Cuba, Iraq, Venezuela... no way in heck could they muster enough to overturn something as big as Ukraine. Did CIA help to fan the flames and cheer when the old regime fell? Sure. But they did not have the power to cause that process.
 

Kalle

troubleshooter
I wonder what would be the true answer given by scientology to that question? "Was there an earlier problem similar to scientology?
YOU understand my question OTHER than I meant it - so there will be TWO answers:

I.) YOUR question: "Was there an earlier problem similar to scientology?

My answer: The most comparable that comes to mind, is JESUS from NAZARETH.
He entered a satanic world, centered on a strictly MATERIALISTIC view on life - of which they derived the "RIGHT" to tax & control the people - and enforce their MATERIALISTC way of life.

So JESUS taught SPIRITUAL knowledge about NOT needing a body and healing that body on a SPIRITUAL basis,
and people wer atrtracted and fascinated by JESUS. The governbment "fabricated" FALSE accusations, held a FALSE trial and gave him a FALSE sentence . . .

But TRUTH was stronger - so christianity, the FAN-base of JESUS was undestructible - despite the government FALSIFIING the BIBLE in 325 after Christ, when they eliminated the teachinggs of JESUS on Re-Birthing at the Council in Nicäa, which ist comparable to the buddhist & Scientology concept of more than one life . . .
 

Karakorum

即使我們知道這個世界的悲傷和痛苦,我們的夢想也不會死去
YOU understand my question OTHER than I meant it - so there will be TWO answers:

I.) YOUR question: "Was there an earlier problem similar to scientology?

My answer: The most comparable that comes to mind, is JESUS from NAZARETH.
He entered a satanic world, centered on a strictly MATERIALISTIC view on life - of which they derived the "RIGHT" to tax & control the people - and enforce their MATERIALISTC way of life.

So JESUS taught SPIRITUAL knowledge about NOT needing a body and healing that body on a SPIRITUAL basis,
and people wer atrtracted and fascinated by JESUS. The governbment "fabricated" FALSE accusations, held a FALSE trial and gave him a FALSE sentence . . .

But TRUTH was stronger - so christianity, the FAN-base of JESUS was undestructible - despite the government FALSIFIING the BIBLE in 325 after Christ, when they eliminated the teachinggs of JESUS on Re-Birthing at the Council in Nicäa, which ist comparable to the buddhist & Scientology concept of more than one life . . .
Well, that same government would adopt christianity as its official religion under Constantine. Just saying :D
 

PirateAndBum

Administrator
Staff member
According to Hubbard, there was no Christ. You need to get better informed.
 

Karakorum

即使我們知道這個世界的悲傷和痛苦,我們的夢想也不會死去
According to Hubbard, there was no Christ. You need to get better informed.
Hubbard: "There was no Christ"
Jesus: "There are no OTs"

Hubbard vs Jesus
0 : 1
 

Kalle

troubleshooter
But as an AUDITOR you learn, if a problem does NOT resolve - you kindly ask with good TR's for an EARLIER SIMILAR problem . . .
SORRY,
but let me go back to what I meant, when you got me wrong:
You said:
" . . . I was just curious about the timeline. Most people I know described the change as a slow process, most pointing to the early 80s as the beginning of it."

THIS is called COM-LAG!

That means people REACT at different SPEED.

Our racing-driver in Munich was the first to be fired

Our Kha-Khan in Dissenmination - 200 Starts per day - was fired

And the slow motion guys were upgraded . . .

One by one, very slowly Munich changed from upstat to downstat

The best mission holder worldwide from Stuttgart (Pordche & Mercedes-town = DEAD at FLAG

My best friend DEAD in Munich while his wife had a 2D handling at Flag without him??? DOES NOT EXIST in Sci!!!

CRIME after CRIME after CRIME ever since 1976 I saw that in Munich

We had built the greatest of comm-lines with the government - OSA KILLED IT WITH AN OPEN ARTICLE ON A FREE
SCI-PUBLICATION ATTACKING AN UPSTAT - so this one article ruined everything, like anny terror-attack woud do

ALL this started with OSA, and this started with SECRECY - OSA was in HIDING miles away from the org - and it was NOT Sci they were doing, from the very first moment of their inauguration

After 1975 there started a DESTRUCTION from within - which was shocking when I first saw it in early 1977 - as NOTHING was Sci, they were engaged in a SECRET war, and to me, they would not explain anything . . .

A wall of silence & sadness - only a year after I had left a booming org - that was now empty . . .
 

stratty

Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
SORRY,
but let me go back to what I meant, when you got me wrong:
You said:
" . . . I was just curious about the timeline. Most people I know described the change as a slow process, most pointing to the early 80s as the beginning of it."

THIS is called COM-LAG!

That means people REACT at different SPEED.

Our racing-driver in Munich was the first to be fired

Our Kha-Khan in Dissenmination - 200 Starts per day - was fired

And the slow motion guys were upgraded . . .

One by one, very slowly Munich changed from upstat to downstat

The best mission holder worldwide from Stuttgart (Pordche & Mercedes-town = DEAD at FLAG

My best friend DEAD in Munich while his wife had a 2D handling at Flag without him??? DOES NOT EXIST in Sci!!!

CRIME after CRIME after CRIME ever since 1976 I saw that in Munich

We had built the greatest of comm-lines with the government - OSA KILLED IT WITH AN OPEN ARTICLE ON A FREE
SCI-PUBLICATION ATTACKING AN UPSTAT - so this one article ruined everything, like anny terror-attack woud do

ALL this started with OSA, and this started with SECRECY - OSA was in HIDING miles away from the org - and it was NOT Sci they were doing, from the very first moment of their inauguration

After 1975 there started a DESTRUCTION from within - which was shocking when I first saw it in early 1977 - as NOTHING was Sci, they were engaged in a SECRET war, and to me, they would not explain anything . . .

A wall of silence & sadness - only a year after I had left a booming org - that was now empty . . .
You can harp on and on and dream up all the conspiracy theories in the world as to why scientology is busted, but the fact remains (and it's been said here time after time after time) if it worked you wouldn't have to be whingeing and whining and moaning about the CIA, the BBC, the FBI or whoever else you think is responsible for its demise. If it really worked and did what it says on the tin, wild horses wouldn't be able to keep people away. So please stop with all this scientology bollocks, it's finished! Game over! Sorry, but your shtick is getting very very boring.
 

Kalle

troubleshooter
I can NOT explain, why the AO in
I find it hilarious that someone outside of the CIA mind-bubble would even consider that the Ukrainian regime fall as a result of CIA actions.
Have you heard that conversation of Victoria Nuland on Fuck the Eu and creating a new government in Ukraine . . . ?
The CIA is not a "stand alone" group - I do not know, what you know and what you are MISSING in information - MOST OF THE IMPORTANT STUFF IS HIDDEN - LIKE CRIMINALS ALLWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS DO . . .
So try to be as open, as you dare, and communicate your REALITY - then I follow you, or you follow me - depending on WHO has more & better & veryfied Data and PROOF . . .


How much PROOF do you need - WE did this work in February 2014 . . . ?
And this is just the tip of an iceberg . . .
The overthrow of Ukraine starts much much earlier with this guy and this book:

written in 1997 - so it took that SECRET US DEEP STATE at least 17 years from the criminal idea to the CRIME . . .
 
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Kalle

troubleshooter
your shtick is getting very very boring.
Me, who loves racing - finds about 95 per cent boring - of what a human being is allowed to DO on this planet.

So I understand very well - that YOU are bored with this battle - which you call a "theorie" about a "conspiracy"

And you make it pretty clear - you HATE that sort of communication - on not existing conspiracies . . .

What I do NOT understand is WHY you keep coming back into that PAINFUL discussion.

Are you hooked, are you a junkie - or do you look for someone to beat up - or WHAT is your problem?

This is one american Soldier - EVERY german loved:



Killed by prescription drugs . . .
 

ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
. . . prescription drugs . . .
You mention drugs an awful lot, again and again.

You're gonna have to start taking something so you can stay up all
night to maintain your posting marathon stats and keep up with Karakorum.

Perhaps Chernobyl-strength coffee would be a good choice for you to
extend your posting hours into the night. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sadly, I've heard through the grapevine -- via PMs -- that most people
have put you on ignore already and you're talking to nobody mostly. Not
getting many, if any, likes or comments.

Little do you know, but there's a whole underground on this message board
that's facilitated by a series of "conversation or PM groups," where veteran
members exchange notes about goings on privately. We know a lot. :coolwink:

PS: I only take the "red pill."
 
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stratty

Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
Me, who loves racing - finds about 95 per cent boring - of what a human being is allowed to DO on this planet.

So I understand very well - that YOU are bored with this battle - which you call a "theorie" about a "conspiracy"

And you make it pretty clear - you HATE that sort of communication - on not existing conspiracies . . .

What I do NOT understand is WHY you keep coming back into that PAINFUL discussion.

Are you hooked, are you a junkie - or do you look for someone to beat up - or WHAT is your problem?

This is one american Soldier - EVERY german loved:



Killed by prescription drugs . . .
I haven't the faintest idea what Elvis Presley dying of prescription drugs has to do with anything here, but we'll struggle on regardless.

This website is primarily a place where ex scientologists can meet and discuss stuff (not always scientology) and also a place where those who have suffered mentally, physically, emotionally and financially because of their involvement in this pernicious cult can unburden themselves and talk to a bunch of people who understand exactly where they're coming from.

What MY PROBLEM is, is having to read this drivel you keep spouting. You don't seem to understand that the majority of us no longer believe in 'the tek' and the tone scale, and overts, and basic on the chain and all the other crap you keep going on about. That is my problem. You're welcome to hang around here as long as you like, but not if you're here to proselytise on behalf of L. Ron Hubbard or Jesus of Nazareth. There aren't a lot of followers of those two individuals here as far as I know and I'm pretty sure you're not going to recruit any new ones.

Does that answer your question?
 

Kalle

troubleshooter
" . . . if it worked you wouldn't have to be whingeing and whining and moaning . . . "
I' ve met thousands that told me - it would not work - but I was DIFFERENT to you.

I ran around with a problem for twelve years in universities in Germany, England and California - looking for a therapy, which could explain & heal DEPRESSION - nobody understood this, and nobody had a therapy that worked - but ALL said go get some prescription-DRUGS . . .

THAT has not changed until today - they HIDE the problem chemically - so you live your miserable life as a drugged zombie . . .

I did not want to do that - and started to ask those people - that my parents had warned me, to talk to . . .

And so one day a scientologist gave me an explanation that solved that seemingly unsolvable problem.

So I started with a MIRACLE . . .

I have never lost THAT ankerpoint.

Although I love racing - EVERYBODY studied much faster than I did - but they later died like flies from agent orange, or got lost in combat . . .

They had learned the stuff by heart - very impressing - but worthless - like they had studied at highshool or in college - but they did not UNDERSTAND - they were unable to USE the stuff - this is called GLIB = student knows EVERYTHING & can't apply ANYTHING
You should have known me before - and you would not have wasted your life in that overwhelming confusion . . .

Original Scientology WORKS (VERIFIED Original stuff from LRH up to 1972)
ALL the real important stuff that was refurbished AFTER 1972 puts you up for a ride into hell.
So if you want to SURVIVE - stick to stuff from BEFORE 1972
If you want to SURVIVE - clean your hard-drive from EVERYTHING later than 1972

And if you want to know more: FIND OUT WHY ?

This is my personal experience with Scientology.

Kalle
 

Kalle

troubleshooter
I haven't the faintest idea what Elvis Presley dying of prescription drugs has to do with anything here, but we'll struggle on regardless.
Tomorrow I might be willing to explain to you - what prescription drugs, the big pharma cartels, the WHO, Bill Gates, the SARS-CoV-2 & Covid-19 problems have to do & are linked to that battle around Scientology . . . ?

It's 9:12 PM and I've had enough for today . . .

Kalle
 

Kalle

troubleshooter
Perhaps Chernobyl-strength coffee would be a good choice for you to
extend your posting hours into the night.
You ALWAYS make me laugh . . .
Just said good night to stratty - and you make me laugh again - YOU ARE DAMN' GOOD AT "REMOTE VIEWING" as they called being exterior at Stanford Research Institute in 1972 - when the CIA wnnted to know if thar worked with the three OT's the CIA had hired for that purpose . . .

Today I had maybe 8 big MUGS of coffee . . .

That's my only addiction . . .

My MOM was born in Guatemala - isn't THAT a great justification . . . ?

Have you been born with THAT ability?

Kalle is curious.

But for today I quit . . .
 

stratty

Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
I' ve met thousands that told me - it would not work - but I was DIFFERENT to you.

I ran around with a problem for twelve years in universities in Germany, England and California - looking for a therapy, which could explain & heal DEPRESSION - nobody understood this, and nobody had a therapy that worked - but ALL said go get some prescription-DRUGS . . .

THAT has not changed until today - they HIDE the problem chemically - so you live your miserable life as a drugged zombie . . .

I did not want to do that - and started to ask those people - that my parents had warned me, to talk to . . .

And so one day a scientologist gave me an explanation that solved that seemingly unsolvable problem.

So I started with a MIRACLE . . .

I have never lost THAT ankerpoint.

Although I love racing - EVERYBODY studied much faster than I did - but they later died like flies from agent orange, or got lost in combat . . .

They had learned the stuff by heart - very impressing - but worthless - like they had studied at highshool or in college - but they did not UNDERSTAND - they were unable to USE the stuff - this is called GLIB = student knows EVERYTHING & can't apply ANYTHING
You should have known me before - and you would not have wasted your life in that overwhelming confusion . . .

Original Scientology WORKS (VERIFIED Original stuff from LRH up to 1972)
ALL the real important stuff that was refurbished AFTER 1972 puts you up for a ride into hell.
So if you want to SURVIVE - stick to stuff from BEFORE 1972
If you want to SURVIVE - clean your hard-drive from EVERYTHING later than 1972

And if you want to know more: FIND OUT WHY ?

This is my personal experience with Scientology.

Kalle
You are making false and totally baseless assumptions about me in respect of prescription drugs. I have managed to avoid consuming pharmaceutical drugs (with the exception of pain killers for headaches etc.) until I got into my seventies. Now it's a question of take them or die.

You also assume I live my life in 'overwhelming confusion'. You know absolutely nothing about me and yet you think you can make an outrageous statement like that.

I have a few words of wisdom for you. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
 

ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
Have you been born with THAT ability?
Just evolved during my life. Good instincts. Can "know" things about others at a distance at times. Much of the time. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Bill

Well-known member
<snip>
Original Scientology WORKS (VERIFIED Original stuff from LRH up to 1972)
<snip>
Kalle
Nope. Never did. What has been "verified" was Hubbard's failures, again and again and again. Nothing but failures. No "releases", no "clears", no "OTs", no "homo novis".
 

Karakorum

即使我們知道這個世界的悲傷和痛苦,我們的夢想也不會死去
You're gonna have to start taking something so you can stay up all night to maintain your posting marathon stats and keep up with Karakorum.
Am I running in a race? :unsure:

Little do you know, but there's a whole underground on this message board that's facilitated by a series of "conversation or PM groups," where veteran members exchange notes about goings on privately.
And I've not been invited?!?!? :dramaqueen:

Shame! Shame!
 
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