English Project on Auditing

StudentatTCU

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Hello all, I am a student at TCU and we are currently doing a project in English focused on the culture and significance of organized groups. We have narrowed it down to focus on auditing because it is one of the first steps to joining the church of Scientology and believe that there is a sense of belonging within the group instilled in the person from the beginning. Please reply with your email if you are willing to help us! We would love to interview you through email or skype if possible. Thank you so much.
 

Paul Adams

(Dulloldfart on ESMB)
Welcome. I don't know if focusing on auditing is your best bet. Many Scientologists (Scios) have had little or no auditing -- these days it's expensive if one is buying it. There are many commonalities most Scios share, such as an overriding belief in the virtual omniscience of Hubbard; the non-mainstream lingo; nowadays the unrelenting pressure to give vast sums of money to the "Church"; the shared purpose of more or less saving mankind; and much more.
 

Dotey OT

Cliqued Off For Good
Hello @StudentatTCU !

Auditing can be an early step to scientology. Introductory auditing can be something a person does when looking into scientology. Introductory (Or Intro Auditing) has historically been sold at lower prices, in order to pull the person into more services. The other path in is doing courses. Looking back on when I started, I had done some courses related to scientology in a consulting organization that used the same principles, then I did receive auditing. The sense of belonging occurred along the way, and was instilled in me by going to events that scientology pushes adherents into attending. That's where you learned of the good things (which often were not true or exaggerated, I found out later) that scientology was doing in the world. Once you attended a few, you felt uplifted a bit, like there was some help available in the world. You are asked to participate in some group or activity to "help" others in some way, which there are many and many of.
 

Dotey OT

Cliqued Off For Good
Also, it may not be so easy to ask for an email, for myself I'm not so willing to give it out to anyone here. The reason being that the organization has a tendency to try to harass ex-members, and it's not fully known that I'm out. Maybe others, but you might be better off just asking questions here.
 

Voodoo

Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow
We have narrowed it down to focus on auditing because it is one of the first steps to joining the church of Scientology and believe that there is a sense of belonging within the group instilled in the person from the beginning.
Not completely accurate.

Some people receive auditing during their early contact with Scientology, but that's rare, due to the cost. Most newbies start with basic (and cheap!) life improvement courses. They're just good enough to pique the person's interest in what else Scientology might have to offer.

Don't forget that new people are also being subtly encouraged by the organization staff to move up to the "real Scientology" (i.e., the expensive stuff).

No, what generally becomes the foundational glue that sticks a person to Scientology, are the early low level courses. The information on those courses is really quite useful, and does have real value. For instance, the lowly $25 Communication Course was responsible for creating tens of thousands of dedicated Scientologists, back in the seventies.

It's good that you came here to ask former Scientologists for their input. I can see there are some assumptions being taken by your study group that are erroneous.
 

programmer_guy

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Hello all, I am a student at TCU and we are currently doing a project in English focused on the culture and significance of organized groups. We have narrowed it down to focus on auditing because it is one of the first steps to joining the church of Scientology and believe that there is a sense of belonging within the group instilled in the person from the beginning. Please reply with your email if you are willing to help us! We would love to interview you through email or skype if possible. Thank you so much.
The Scientology "bridge" has two sides: training and auditing.
For example, Hubbard once said that a "cleared cannibal" is still just a cannibal.
Also, co-auditing (2 persons trained and auditing each other) was also recommended.

(BTW, I am just commenting as a former Scientologist. I am not recommending it to anyone.)
 
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Veda

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Hello all, I am a student at TCU and we are currently doing a project in English focused on the culture and significance of organized groups. We have narrowed it down to focus on auditing because it is one of the first steps to joining the church of Scientology and believe that there is a sense of belonging within the group instilled in the person from the beginning. Please reply with your email if you are willing to help us! We would love to interview you through email or skype if possible. Thank you so much.
Unauthorized auditing is frowned upon in Scientology. Now, more than ever.

Scientologists do enjoy thinking about getting lots of auditing, and what it will be like to "go up the Grade Chart."


The upper upper levels of the Grade Chart do not exist. (Thus there is no "Bridge" to "OT.") Scientology's current leader, David Miscavige, has known of this non existence for over thirty years. It's a secret he keeps from the membership.


What most Scientologists have in common is usually not so much auditing as having done some introductory course, usually a "Communications course," where two people stare into each other's eyes for a prolonged period of time, and a few other related actions.

Scientology's founder "discovered" what he called the "dynamic principle of existence: SURVIVE!" (Others called this "The Will to Live," etc. "Survival of the fittest," etc.) and used that idea to psychologically manipulate others.

Scientologists have in common that they believe their SURVIVAL! depends on Scientology, and that they are the elite of Earth.
 

programmer_guy

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@StudentatTCU

Dopamine, Serotonin, Oxytocin, Endorphin (#2 of 7) (8 minutes)


If she eventually includes the subtopic of brain cells tensor flow feedback system in addition to this then it would be almost complete IMO.

Then the next step would be discovery of what causes self awareness (no notion of spirituality is needed).
 
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programmer_guy

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@StudentatTCU

For example, if an auditor (or case supervisor) selects an item that is AESP (attitude, emotion, sensation, pain) and REPEATS this on a client (PC) over memories (or even false memories) then eventually the client's brain will produce endorphins for stress relief.

The auditor is not to discuss significances with the PC. Just repeat until this occurs.

BTW, this is not any hypnotic induction technique. No hypnosis is necessary.

And Hubbard's explanation in "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health" is wrong.

That's my 2 cents opinion. :)
 
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Zertel

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Unauthorized auditing is frowned upon in Scientology. Now, more than ever.

Scientologists do enjoy thinking about getting lots of auditing, and what it will be like to "go up the Grade Chart."


The upper upper levels of the Grade Chart do not exist. (Thus there is no "Bridge" to "OT.") Scientology's current leader, David Miscavige, has known of this non existence for over thirty years. It's a secret he keeps from the membership.


What most Scientologists have in common is usually not so much auditing as having done some introductory course, usually a "Communications course," where two people stare into each other's eyes for a prolonged period of time, and a few other related actions.

Scientology's founder "discovered" what he called the "dynamic principle of existence: SURVIVE!" (Others called this "The Will to Live," etc. "Survival of the fittest," etc.) and used that idea to psychologically manipulate others.

Scientologists have in common that they believe their SURVIVAL! depends on Scientology, and that they are the elite of Earth.
I'm curious about where you located this grade chart and the publication or copyright date. Also, it might be worthwhile to enter it somewhere on the board as an historical document. I entered the 1970 grade chart in the Analyzing Scientology section under the Evaluating and Criticizing Scientology heading. Likewise someone might be able to enter the current official CofS grade chart if it's published.

For the TCU group, when I entered Scientology in 1976 I considered that my Scientology auditor training was similar to training as a psychologist. That might seem silly now that the overall picture of Scientology is known, but the above grade chart shows the very broad array of human emotion and reaction which the subject addresses. A bit of fiddling around expands the above "Grade Chart" (Scientology shorthand) and shows the many areas addressed. (double clicking on the grade chart expands it on my desktop)

ETA: oops - I looked again and apparently the above is the current CofS Grade Chart.
 
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Zertel

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I'm curious about where you located this grade chart and the publication or copyright date. Also, it might be worthwhile to enter it somewhere on the board as an historical document. I entered the 1970 grade chart in the Analyzing Scientology section under the Evaluating and Criticizing Scientology heading. Likewise someone might be able to enter the current official CofS grade chart if it's published.

For the TCU group, when I entered Scientology in 1976 I considered that my Scientology auditor training was similar to training as a psychologist. That might seem silly now that the overall picture of Scientology is known, but the above grade chart shows the very broad array of human emotion and reaction which the subject addresses. A bit of fiddling around expands the above "Grade Chart" (Scientology shorthand) and shows the many areas addressed. (double clicking on the grade chart expands it on my desktop)

ETA: oops - I looked again and apparently the above is the current CofS Grade Chart.
On a Scn blog a university psychology professor participated for awhile. She said that she thought auditors would make good psychologists since they were interested in helping people and that some of the scientology "processes" of which she was aware cross referenced some mainstream psychology procedures under different terminology.
 

Zertel

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@StudentatTCU

Dopamine, Serotonin, Oxytocin, Endorphin (#2 of 7) (8 minutes)


If she eventually includes the subtopic of brain cells tensor flow feedback system in addition to this then it would be almost complete IMO.

Then the next step would be discovery of what causes self awareness (no notion of spirituality is needed).
Which chemical or combination of chemicals produces an extended peak, transcendental, satori, religious or other such experience? I want a Nirvana pill.
 

pineapple

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@StudentatTCU

For example, if an auditor (or case supervisor) selects an item that is AESP (attitude, emotion, sensation, pain) and REPEATS this on a client (PC) over memories (or even false memories) then eventually the client's brain will produce endorphins for stress relief.

The auditor is not to discuss significances with the PC. Just repeat until this occurs.

BTW, this is not any hypnotic induction technique. No hypnosis is necessary.

And Hubbard's explanation in "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health" is wrong.

That's my 2 cents opinion. :)
You don't tell the pc to relax, or "you're getting sleepy," etc. In that sense, there's no hypnotic induction. But he does relax and he does get sleepy. He definitely goes anaten during dianetic auditing. He may go completely unconscious.

He's encouraged to go whole track, to fantasize -- actually he's required to. If he never goes whole track he needs a Past Life Remedy, where he's told to run imaginary past life incidents. Eventually these will begin to seem real, which means the remedy worked.

When he (presumably) gets the endorphin rush, the pc is told "Your needle is floating," indicating that he's behaved as expected. He learns to associate the good feeling and the F/N with the production of imaginary incidents and to feel that this behavior is pro-survival. This bolsters his belief in the reality of these incidents. The auditor cannot evaluate for the pc or invalidate what he says, so the auditor's silence is also tacitly recognizing the incidents as real.

Getting the pc to accept his own imaginary incidents as real is a major step toward getting him to accept Hubbard's imaginary incidents as real, which is what he will do on OT III, when he learns about Incident Two and body thetans, which he will spend the rest of his scn career chasing.

Though there's no conventional hypnotic induction in modern dianetic auditing (there was in the original -- in fact the original technique was straight hypnosis) I still believe it's a form of hypnosis, designed to weaken the pc's ability to differentiate between reality and imagination and to implant false memories. This is what Hubbard really meant when he said that "engram running gives the most case gain" and "reality equals charge off the case." Lots of engram running = acceptance of Hubbard's reality.
 
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programmer_guy

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Do endorphin rushes create floating needles? Maybe sometimes, but there seem to be other explanations.
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Endorphins has been my hypothesis.

However, I doubt that any accredited neuro-scientists will be interested in anything related to scientology.
I wouldn't blame them... they would probably consider this topic to be a waste of their time/effort.
(Why would a wog neuro-scientist give a damn about going extensively into scientology?)
 
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Paul Adams

(Dulloldfart on ESMB)
Does anyone have a video of someone experiencing an endorphin rush?
Porn sites must have thousands. :)

As for endorphins *causing* floating needles, how about an "ARC Break needle," visually indistinguishable (per HCOB) from a "genuine" F/N? I wouldn't think endorphins would be applicable here, unless these are false endorphins (to recognise real endorphins you have to take the person's other indicators into account too....)
 
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Irayam

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Which chemical or combination of chemicals produces an extended peak, transcendental, satori, religious or other such experience? I want a Nirvana pill.
I have never tried it... But DMT seems to do the job.
Warning : you can see God, but you can also see Hubb... hem... the Devil.
 

Zertel

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I have never tried it... But DMT seems to do the job.
Warning : you can see God, but you can also see Hubb... hem... the Devil.
We don't need no stinking psychedelics to experience Bliss!!

(joke)

I've had a couple of peak/transcendental/satori or however you want to describe it experiences come upon me in the past out of the blue. They lasted from several hours to a day or two. I described one of them on Marty Rathbun's blog a few years ago and a poster named "marildi" directed me to a couple of talks and videos by two nondualism teachers named Adyashanti and Mooji. I dove into it and most of what they're saying made sense to me. Oversimplified and just my interpretation is that "I" is a timeless and egoless observer watching the never ending Now go by.

I took a quick look at Marty's blog to see if I could find and post an appropriate video or my description but it will take some digging. Incidentally, Marty has posted a couple of recent topics with comments off and it seems he's working "A Course in Miracles."

Scientific materialism seems to want to describe all human paranormal or extrasensory experience in terms of chemicals in the brain which is limiting.
 
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