Did Hubbard "channel Scientology"?

Riddick

I clap to no man
Excellent post.

Not everybody may be aware, but after Ron went Clear, he had three bouts of pneumonia
in one year and was advised by his doctor to leave England and go to a warmer climate. This
is mentioned in a private letter made public during the Armstrong trial and brought to light
by Attorney Michael Flynn. In the letter, Hubbard said he wanted this kept hushed up and
Scientology public mustn't find out about it.

Was also mentioned in a newspaper interview:
'Mr. Hubbard arrived in Rhodesia early in May from Johannesburg, where he had flown in January 1966​
after “a third bout of pneumonia following which my doctors advised me to leave Britain” — according​
to a newspaper interview in Salisbury.'​
Source: Peter Younghusband, Salisbury, Wednesday, July 14, 1966
In an interview in the Rhodesia Sunday Mail he said he had left his stately home in Britain on doctor's orders
after a third attack of pneumonia. 'I am really supposed to be on vacation,' he explained . . . .​
Bare-Faced Messiah

It apparently didn't enter his mind that his prior tech -- clearing -- might be flawed. No, he had
to do further research to solve his then problem -- recurring pneumonia -- and that's when he
came up with the risk thing and OTIII, which alludes to a "pneumonia risk."

Again, another instance of "running LRH's case," as some have put it.
no, Ron never went clear nor OT. Mayo confirmed this, Ron thought he could clear and OT only because he read success stories and C/S'd.

Ron thought success stories are proof. And he rhetorically promoted it. LOL

The guy was no scientist but only claimed he was thru his words.

His words are only rhetoric: the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the use of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.
 

pineapple

仮面の男
A cow flew out of my butt once in a morphic field. But I don’t want to talk about it.

this legend is also true and untrue. But mostly untrue.
Please don't tell us! We might die because not enough people have run it yet! Hold on while I get my 40-year-old Mark V out of the closet ... :unsure:
 

pineapple

仮面の男
Wasn't Hubbard a.... I forget the exact word Mystic used. But a combination of 247 mal-entities from the lower etheric? I always wondered if he was serious about that statement.
A tulpa. He was asked on multiple occasions to explain that statement but never did.

Wikipedia article, for what it's worth.

Edit: Doesn't seem Hubbs could have been a tulpa since we know he was born a human being, who his parents were, etc. Assuming there even are such things.
 

Cat's Squirrel

Well-known member
I left in 1978, also in LA. I wonder if I knew you.
My opinion on OT3:
The OT3 incident 2 is both true and not true.
Did it actually physically take place on our past track of this planet? No. It did not.
Is it a real, accessible incident which can be audited? Yes.
Inc 2 is what I call a "morphic field legend"; "morphic field" is Rupert Sheldrake's term for what Hubbard called a group mind. It's also an example of 'bleed' from a parallel time track, which has infected this timeline and became a legend. The incident is present in the planet's morphic field (local subset of the 6th dynamic field), where it can be located and viewed. In traditional terms, it exists in a "lower plane", the lower astral.

And just for the record, there are many morphic field legends, bled over in the same manner, in the readings of Edgar Cayce, and also in some parts of Filbert's Excalibur Revisited. There are events which didn't happen here, and which influence individuals and indeed, whole societies. These events can and should be processed, despite their not being actually experienced by the PC running them. My only caveat is to be careful. A single person's morphic field (thetan + body) is no match for higher, more powerful fields. Hubbard's warning that OT3 can kill the unwary was probably true at the time. But OT3 has diminished in dangerousness. This diminution alone is an indicator that Inc 2 is from a morphic field. The more people run it, the weaker it gets because it so many have reduced it. The mechanics of morphic fields are that number of owned members in the field controls whether the field dominates or is dominated by other morphic fields. There is a growing population of those who have run it, it no longer dominates as much, and will in the future fade away.
Ed
This has intrigued me. Over here we have the legend of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table, which some people now believe to have happened but in a different dimension, i.e. not on this Earth; could that be another example of the morphic field legend you're referring to? There are other things too, like the legend of Atlantis (known to Plato but distrusted by modern archaeologists), which could fit the bill.
 
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Ed8

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This has intrigued me. Over here we have the legend of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table, which some people now believe to have happened but in a different dimension, i.e. not on this Earth; could that be another example of the morphic field legend you're referring to? There are other things too, like the legend of Atlantis (known to Plato but distrusted by modern archaeologists), which could fit the bill.
Yes Cat's Squirrel, those are morphic field legends too. To form such a field only requires a group of people believing something, and that forms a group mind. Since the focus of a field will form a large entity across a large area of space, then it is all too often seen that the focus turns evil. In addition to that focus forming an entity, any thetan of sufficient awareness can gain control of the entity, even wear it "one the head", i.e. becoming it. This degrades the thetan because an entity is MEST (actually EST, not matter), and the thetan is being it that energy, space and time. This is no different than the effect of being a body, with similar patterns of different possible rates of decay of the thetan.
 

Ed8

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As for Hubbard 'channeling' scientology, I want to convey an observation. His career has the characteristics of an ascension, which decayed gradually. This 'ascension-gradual crash' is not rare among spiritual people. Other examples are Mohammed and Yeshua (Jesus). In an ascended state the person can see spiritual truths directly. But alas, the condition doesn't last.
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation.
As for Hubbard 'channeling' scientology, I want to convey an observation. His career has the characteristics of an ascension, which decayed gradually. This 'ascension-gradual crash' is not rare among spiritual people. Other examples are Mohammed and Yeshua (Jesus). In an ascended state the person can see spiritual truths directly. But alas, the condition doesn't last.
True ... he ascended into complete and utter madness (prior to starting his cult).

:whistle:
 

Barney Bear

Nature Boy
And did his output dwindle when he was no longer an acceptable vehicle to the "muse" ?

Some regard the muse as a separate etheric being.
I have often wondered at this whole "Guardian Angel" subject. Hubbard tells a story from his time flying a glider in the 1930's. (Polly and he had glider licences). He tells of an incident when he saw his angel on his wingtip during some ropey weather incident. He had always felt the presence of such a being from childhood. One does indeed wonder that throughout many of his lectures he seemed to be automatic 'steam-of-thought' channeling. Whether that was from his subconscious brain or an outside higher being or 'entity' is thought-provoking. We also know that there were many times when Hubbard seemed to be on a drug. LSD was used to free up peoples tongues along with barbiturates and Peyote. Hubbard purportedly experimented drugs in Phoenix with Nibs. Peyote would have been available. DMT has been around forever. I can mention that whilst I was touring India I was accompanied by a silent friendly discarnate being that stood like a guardian whenever I was camping. It did not fly home with me. So we have to admit that the whole study of spirituality must still be valid despite the Hubbard Paradox. This universe is simply one plane of existence where we as super-souls choose to express and experience creation. There are other universes higher and some lower than here. A being is not confined to just one unless they choose to be. Just why did any of us choose to incarnated here and now? I found The Book of Urantia answers a ton of questions for us voyagers. To me it seemed as if I was reading a book from a universe two or three planes upwards from here. One does wonder about the group of people who claim to have channeled the book around 1953-1959. I reserve the right to consider the book as yet another scam from the people who LRH worked for as a lone wolf agent. Huxley, Bessant, Blavatsky and Crowley were similar MI6 influencer agents. One wonders what MI6 know that we do not. Could a higher agency be trying to direct human progress?
 

Barney Bear

Nature Boy
Veda,
Heh, I was wondering who researched OT2; certainly not Hubbard. :)
Someone should list the actual authors of all the various processes. I know much of Grade 5 is by McMaster. And didn't Filbert come up with XDN?
Many years ago I was at one of Aida's oldtimers parties and talked to an older man who told me he was the author of 'be 3 feet in back of your head'. Except that is not the wording. He said Hubbard squirreled it. The original was 'try not to be 3 feet in back of your head'. :)

No wonder Hubbard was critical of squirrels.
I am pretty certain that much of the weirder stuff from LRH was originally OHAPSE material. Crowely worked it for a while and so did Parsons and Blavatsky. The material goes back millennia. The Rosicrucians cover a lot of it for members as does Kabbala. We were all doing that sort of stuff way back in the times of Ancient Egypt and Sumeria and 'Atlantis' way before the big cataclysm that set us all back a million years or more. There have been small groups of 'Mystery Schools' and Esoteric Practitioners who have kept the knowledge mostly intact in an almost continuous series of genetic lines. Yeshua ben Yusaf was mentored by Jude at Mount Carmel with Mary who was a chosen vessel). They too had to hide their true origins and agenda for obvious reasons. (The Biblical Jesus was a construct from these people and earlier mythos). Hubbard often mentioned Ancient Egypt and we all forget that Mary Long from Saint Hill wrote "I, Osiris" dedicated to Ron and then wrote "Our Son Moves Among You". Mary was well-known amongst the esoteric Golden Bough practitioners similar to the OTO of Crowley and Parsons. Oriental Ritual Magic stuff. Mary took her scientology training onto the higher levels of spirituality that planet earth has yet to even conceive of. Please do not worry though... it is all good stuff waiting for those who may be interested in higher-plane exploration.
 

Ed8

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I am pretty certain that much of the weirder stuff from LRH was originally OHAPSE material. Crowely worked it for a while and so did Parsons and Blavatsky. The material goes back millennia. The Rosicrucians cover a lot of it for members as does Kabbala. We were all doing that sort of stuff way back in the times of Ancient Egypt and Sumeria and 'Atlantis' way before the big cataclysm that set us all back a million years or more. There have been small groups of 'Mystery Schools' and Esoteric Practitioners who have kept the knowledge mostly intact in an almost continuous series of genetic lines. Yeshua ben Yusaf was mentored by Jude at Mount Carmel with Mary who was a chosen vessel). They too had to hide their true origins and agenda for obvious reasons. (The Biblical Jesus was a construct from these people and earlier mythos). Hubbard often mentioned Ancient Egypt and we all forget that Mary Long from Saint Hill wrote "I, Osiris" dedicated to Ron and then wrote "Our Son Moves Among You". Mary was well-known amongst the esoteric Golden Bough practitioners similar to the OTO of Crowley and Parsons. Oriental Ritual Magic stuff. Mary took her scientology training onto the higher levels of spirituality that planet earth has yet to even conceive of. Please do not worry though... it is all good stuff waiting for those who may be interested in higher-plane exploration.
I do not know about Mary Long. Tell me more please. And where would I find what she wrote?
Ed
 
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