I keep hearing people that are out talk about the tech or admin in terms of operating in that frame of reference, like it makes sense, or did make sense at one time. I guess it's ok to still think that way, because it sure nuff is hard to strip it off! It seemed like the truth at the time while in, it's just now looking back that it's all such a ghastly joke. So, putting that stupid ass shitty hat back on, there are some refs that were red on white that were also published in green on white. So even back then, there were gray areas of "tech" and "admin". Hell, some around here probably know specifically which ones were published that way!Dear Helena, I don't know if anyone told you yet but the "tech" is a sham, a bag of poison mixed with a few good things copied by others. It does not matter if Steps A through E are admin. Scientology is a scam and Hubbard was a criminal con man selling snake oil.