12.5 minutes (I don't believe in messing around).It seems to me to be approximately 3 months. Does that seem correct to any of you?
Serious answers only please.
How would that be relevant? Does one, upon dropping the body, have to get in a queue for a new body and the earliest insertion point is at 3 months?BTW, 3 months happens to be the end of the 1st trimester of human pregnancy.
12.5 minutes (I don't believe in messing around).
If it takes three months then I want my money back. I can't be late for my next appointment.Hi all. I guess my post was too terse. I'm asking for your personal experiences, memories, session results, etc. If you don't have those, cool. No prob.![]()
That's not even a theory. It's a hypothesis - and one that cannot be experimentally verified, regardless of the "studies" mentioned in the Wikipedia article you quoted.the vast majority if not all of 'past life' imaginings are just that, imaginitive [sic] results of brain processes similar to dreaming, typically produced in suggestive or hypnotic states, though the subtly directive process of regressive techniques including auditing (even saying 'go back further' implies, even commands, that there is a 'further' to go back).
in order to determine anything like that, you'd have to have actual, detailed and true examples of reincarnation.
the vast majority if not all of 'past life' imaginings are just that, imaginitive results of brain processes similar to dreaming, typically produced in suggestive or hypnotic states, though the subtly directive process of regressive techniques including auditing (even saying 'go back further' implies, even commands, that there is a 'further' to go back).
Past life regression - Wikipedia
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Sources of memories
The "memories" recovered by techniques like past-life regression are the result of cryptomnesia: narratives created by the subconscious mind using imagination, forgotten information and suggestions from the therapist.[2][3][4][22][23][24][25] Memories created under hypnosis are indistinguishable from actual memories and can be more vivid than factual memories.[3][26] The greatest predictor of individuals reporting memories of past lives appears to be their beliefs—individuals who believe in reincarnation are more likely to report such memories, while skeptics or disbelievers are less so.[2][6]
Examinations of three cases of apparent past life regression (Bridey Murphy, Jane Evans, and an unnamed English woman) revealed memories that were superficially convincing. However, investigation by experts in the languages used and historical periods described revealed flaws in all three patients' recall. The evidence included speech patterns that were "...used by movie makers and writers to convey the flavour of 16th century English speech" rather than actual Renaissance English, a date that was inaccurate but was the same as a recognized printing error in historical pamphlets, and a subject that reported historically accurate information from the Roman era that was identical to information found in a 1947 novel set in the same time as the individual's memories, with the same name reported by the person regressed. Other details cited are common knowledge and not evidence of the factual nature of the memories; subjects asked to provide historical information that would allow checking provided only vague responses that did not allow for verification, and sometimes were unable to provide critical details that would have been common knowledge (e.g. a subject described the life of a Japanese fighter pilot during World War II but was unable to identify Hirohito as the Emperor of Japan during the 1940s).[5]
Studies
Studies suggest that past lives are likely false memories, implanted through the susceptibility of the hypnotic method. A 1976 study found that 40% of hypnotizable subjects described new identities and used different names when given a suggestion to regress past their birth.[5] In the 1990s, a series of experiments undertaken by Nicholas Spanos examined the nature of past life memories. Descriptions of alleged past lives were found to be extremely elaborate, with vivid, detailed descriptions. This, however, is not indicative of the validity of this therapeutic method. Subjects who reported memories of past lives exhibited high hypnotizability, and patients demonstrated that the expectations conveyed by the experimenter were most important in determining the characteristics of the reported memories. The degree to which the memories were considered credible by the experimental subjects was correlated most significantly to the subjects' beliefs about reincarnation and their expectation to remember a past life rather than hypnotizability. Spanos' research leads him to the conclusion that past lives are not memories, but actually social constructions based on patients acting "as if" they were someone else, but with significant flaws that would not be expected of actual memories. To create these memories, Spanos' subjects drew upon the expectations established by authority figures and information outside of the experiment such as television, novels, life experiences and their own desires.[5] In sum, it is therefore suggested that past lives are likely false memories, implanted through the susceptibility of the hypnotic method.
I agree, it’s not a scientific study because it cannot be verified.That's not even a theory. It's a hypothesis - and one that cannot be experimentally verified, regardless of the "studies" mentioned in the Wikipedia article you quoted.
In other words, your claim has no more experimental scientific verification than any of Hubbard's claims about past lives.
i'm not saying it disproves past lives and/or reincarnation, just that it shows that most if not all claims of 'memories' of such are just essentially false memories of one sort or another -- even kind of an 'implant' the way scientology does it with a background of heavy suggestion that you're supposed to remember 'space opera' past lives.That's not even a theory. It's a hypothesis - and one that cannot be experimentally verified, regardless of the "studies" mentioned in the Wikipedia article you quoted.
In other words, your claim has no more experimental scientific verification than any of Hubbard's claims about past lives.
it's not 'actual data' any more than Hubbard's various claims, the OT stories of scientologists, etc.If you're going to seriously study this there's actual data out there:
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Children Who Report Memories of Past Lives - Division of Perceptual Studies
Tucker writes about James Leininger, a boy who had past-life memories of being a WWII pilot, and Ryan Hammond, who had memories of being a Hollywood agent.med.virginia.edu
Fifty Years of Research - Division of Perceptual Studies
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On top of that, what 99.9999% of Scientologists don't know is that their entire whole track is dub-in of a dub-in or at least not their personal track per Scientology's own material. It's in the basic books that the whole point of the Bridge is to raise the thetan up the Tone Scale from below Death and out of all that dub-in.
That's why the culmination of OTVIII is "I now know who I'm not and ready to find out who I am" or something like that.
Then you haven't looked at this information.it's not 'actual data' any more than Hubbard's various claims, the OT stories of scientologists, etc.
when i've looked into it, all of those sorts of stories end up failing critical tests, and turn out like the infamous Bridey Murphy story to fail critical tests:
'[the principal proponent of the claims] did not mention her birth parents were both partly Irish, and that she had lived with them until the age of three. He also did not mention that an Irish immigrant named Bridie Murphy Corkell (1892–1957) lived across the street from Tighe's childhood home in Chicago, Illinois.[11][12][13] Bridie immigrated to the U.S. in 1908. Although Tighe claimed that she did not know Mrs. Corkell's maiden name, Bridie's spinster sister Margaret Murphy was living with the Corkells in the 1930 census.[11] Researchers noted that many of the elements Virginia Tighe described in Bridey's life corresponded to ones in her own childhood.[14] Cryptomnesia has been a frequently mentioned as an explanation for Tighe's memories.[15][16][17] Because of correlations with Tighe's past life and discrepancies with the Ireland of the Bridey Murphy story's time, writers such as Michael Shermer consider any paranormal interpretation of the case to be "thoroughly disproven".[18] '
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Bridey Murphy - Wikipedia
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also, i can pretty much guarantee that from from all those claimed accounts, there are none that actually pass conclusive, concrete tests such as:
* an individual being able to remember concrete information such as bank account numbers, and prove it by being able to reclaim former property
* an individual being fully fluent in a foreign language they would have spoken, or even just able to read fluently in that language, when they have no familiarity with it in their present life
and if the error rate is 99.9999%, that doesn't work out very well, does it? that would be one in every million scientologists, and there haven't even been that many members who got that far in the entire history of the 'subject', so one at most....