Beneficial catharsis in Scientology

Hatshepsut

Well-known member
I thought Life Repair was effective as a first auditing action when discovering the subject. The feelings, attitudes and emotions I came with, no longer dictated who I felt I was when finished. I was a teenager, and suddenly no longer morose.
 
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alf

New member
One experience of having achieved relief in Scientology
can be enough to stick a person to Scientology for years.


Scientologese alert

what the fun are you guys talking about? Is it bad to give some wins? I never mixed auditing with organizational, which we know what it became. And I never took promos literally, having observed that those facts could not be truly delivered. It was nevertheless a step in the right direction (lower bridge, upper bridge being questionable). As Padre Martini said regarding 'Gradus ad Parnassum' (old book on musical theory) "We have nothing else".
 

Veda

Well-known member
One experience of having achieved relief in Scientology
can be enough to stick a person to Scientology for years.
That's a quote from the Scientology exploits catharsis thread.

Here's a link to a recent related thread having to do with people who experience exteriorization while in Scientology. A similar situation.

Scientologese alert

what the fun are you guys talking about? Is it bad to give some wins?
It can have its drawbacks when INSIDE Scientology Inc.

I never mixed auditing with organizational,
Were you a Field Auditor before the early 1980s? There were a few who tried to protect their PCs.

which we know what it became. And I never took promos literally,
Ever?

having observed that those facts could not be truly delivered.
Yes, but observing takes time and experience, and a person would be half out of Scientology Inc, by then.

Kind of like William Burroughs was by the late 1960s.

It was nevertheless a step in the right direction (lower bridge, upper bridge being questionable). As Padre Martini said regarding 'Gradus ad Parnassum' (old book on musical theory) "We have nothing else".

Background: During the early 1980s Van Morrison was briefly "on lines,"
and received "Life Repair" auditing.
(Was he shown a copy of the Celebrity Center magazine
that featured a poem by John Donne prominently on its first page?)
Morrison apparently liked the auditing,
but, upon reflection, did not wish to be associated
in any way with the Scientology organization.


If anyone is curious, scroll down past the 1911 antecedent of Hubbard's Grand Tour from Creation of Human Ability to "[Psychotherapy] Analysis is the logical precursor of spiritual attainment and Magical experiment" excerpt from Israel Regardie's book of 1937.
 

Chuck J.

Election Fraud Has Consequences
One experience of having achieved relief in Scientology
can be enough to stick a person to Scientology for years.


Scientologese alert

what the fun are you guys talking about? Is it bad to give some wins? I never mixed auditing with organizational, which we know what it became. And I never took promos literally, having observed that those facts could not be truly delivered. It was nevertheless a step in the right direction (lower bridge, upper bridge being questionable). As Padre Martini said regarding 'Gradus ad Parnassum' (old book on musical theory) "We have nothing else".
Nothing else than $cientology?

If that's what you mean, I say you're very wrong.
 

Bill

Well-known member
One experience of having achieved relief in Scientology
can be enough to stick a person to Scientology for years.


Scientologese alert

what the fun are you guys talking about? Is it bad to give some wins? I never mixed auditing with organizational, which we know what it became. And I never took promos literally, having observed that those facts could not be truly delivered. It was nevertheless a step in the right direction (lower bridge, upper bridge being questionable). As Padre Martini said regarding 'Gradus ad Parnassum' (old book on musical theory) "We have nothing else".
Yes, yes, you were very smart and you were never fooled by Hubbard's rhetoric, stories and lies. Scientology was nothing but "wins" for you. I gotta tell you, I, for one, am so very, very impressed.

But, I have to say, your "only wins" does interfere with understanding what others have gone through and ruins your ability to see what Scientology "wins" actually are.

Scientology uses "wins" and "success stories" as BAIT to draw people in and trap them in the endless "treadmill to OT". Scientology promotes ONLY "wins" and suppresses their 99% failures (see Grade Chart). Your lack of understanding and lack of empathy for the victims is unfortunate.
 

Veda

Well-known member
Yes, yes, you were very smart and you were never fooled by Hubbard's rhetoric, stories and lies. Scientology was nothing but "wins" for you. I gotta tell you, I, for one, am so very, very impressed.

But, I have to say, your "only wins" does interfere with understanding what others have gone through and ruins your ability to see what Scientology "wins" actually are.

Scientology uses "wins" and "success stories" as BAIT to draw people in and trap them in the endless "treadmill to OT". Scientology promotes ONLY "wins" and suppresses their 99% failures (see Grade Chart). Your lack of understanding and lack of empathy for the victims is unfortunate.
Perhaps there was a misunderstanding.

Wins, in and of themselves, apart from the organization, are just "wins" with no negative connotation.
 

Riddick

I clap to no man
Perhaps there was a misunderstanding.

Wins, in and of themselves, apart from the organization, are just "wins" with no negative connotation.
"Wins, in and of themselves, apart from the organization, are just "wins" with no negative connotation."

That's not quite true. Wins only show one side of the story. What about no wins?

The wins actually have a negative connotation, because in the end nobody went Clear or OT.

That's what Bill was trying to say.

After time marches on, early people who got involved left, that's really saying no wins, although they may have had wins. ESMB and Scientology Redux really are about ex's telling their story that the wins really didn't lead to the Clear or OT. Who gives a shit about wins, the bottom line is can one be able to go Clear, and then OT?

Who cares about wins?
 

Bill

Well-known member
Perhaps there was a misunderstanding.

Wins, in and of themselves, apart from the organization, are just "wins" with no negative connotation.
No misunderstanding. You thread and his comment was about SCIENTOLOGY "wins" and that was exactly what I was talking about. Scientology "wins" are bait ... and, yes, that's bad.
 

Riddick

I clap to no man
"Wins, in and of themselves, apart from the organization, are just "wins" with no negative connotation."

That's not quite true. Wins only show one side of the story. What about no wins?

The wins actually have a negative connotation, because in the end nobody went Clear or OT.

That's what Bill was trying to say.

After time marches on, early people who got involved left, that's really saying no wins, although they may have had wins. ESMB and Scientology Redux really are about ex's telling their story that the wins really didn't lead to the Clear or OT. Who gives a shit about wins, the bottom line is can one be able to go Clear, and then OT?

Who cares about wins?
Hubbard in the end of his life told Sarge he failed. So much for having wins.

 

Veda

Well-known member
"Wins, in and of themselves, apart from the organization, are just "wins" with no negative connotation."

That's not quite true. Wins only show one side of the story. What about no wins?

The wins actually have a negative connotation, because in the end nobody went Clear or OT.

That's what Bill was trying to say.

After time marches on, early people who got involved left, that's really saying no wins, although they may have had wins. ESMB and Scientology Redux really are about ex's telling their story that the wins really didn't lead to the Clear or OT. Who gives a shit about wins, the bottom line is can one be able to go Clear, and then OT?

Who cares about wins?

The Those who "quit fast" thread gives examples.

People came in, got some wins, and departed. (They realized this was probably as good as it was going to get.)

No OT wins, just mundane wins.
 

Hatshepsut

Well-known member
Link to Scientology exploits catharsis thread.

Collecting instances of beneficial catharsis in Scientology.

Were there any, without follow up manipulation?
I think many people kept their greatest releases a secret so they would not feel they 'owed' the Org. The greater your touted 'gains' the more you felt manipulated to get others to join up and experience the same phenomena. I never uttered a word about what was happening to me during the Survival Rd. I didn't want to 'owe'. But it was phenomenal for me to recognize I possessed differentiated packages of life force, and to be allowed to permit each to answer commands separately.....while on lower levels.

Other than Life Repair, I found very little catharsis running earlier similar incidents at all. And, if you achieved getting 'out of your mind', in a Zen way......it was time for a break from meddling with mind stuff. Few took the opportunity as there was manipulation for continuance of stats.
 

Veda

Well-known member

alf

New member
Chuck J.
Yes, may very well be I am wrong, but it happens that I looked, tried, but never found a practicable way for me as a westerner. In the end I found myself describing trials in scn terms, not reverse.
Veda
I began auditing outside in the late 80's.
Let me say ever.
For the rest... I got too interested in responding.
 

Bill

Well-known member
This is how this thread begins. Notice the first line. Now click, and look at the linked thread on the first line.
Wow! There are rules and required steps before a person may post a comment on "your" thread? Great to know.

... guess I'll skip it. :thumbsup:
 

programmer_guy

True ex-Scientologist
A PC will usually eventually experience a brain neuro transmitter effect by sticking to an AESP as ordered by the C/S.
(This is not in DMSMH).

If the PC gets off into a significance (not the cognition at the end of session) then the auditor is supposed to use TR4 to get the PC back on the AESP. Also, using an e-meter makes it easier because it's measuring the changes in brain activity as it affects skin resistance to mild electric current.
(This is not in DMSMH).

The PC will experience a feel-good-feeling from the brain neuro transmitter effect. They can also experience false memory syndrome from this.
(This is not in DMSMH).

The brain neuro transmitter effect will usually wear off after an unpredicable amount of time after auditing session. But that doesn't matter as long as the PC gets an F/N with the examiner in QUAL after session.

And there is no such mental state as "Clear".
 
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Hatshepsut

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The brain neuro transmitter effect will usually wear off after an unpredicable amount of time after auditing session. But that doesn't matter as long as the PC gets an F/N with the examiner in QUAL after session.

And there is no such mental state as "Clear".
Not sure about that.
While it may be either a long or short release, there is a point where one separates out from ALL other-ness', whether it be personal identities or mass. It happened to me several times. Once as a youngster, running R3R Dianetics with AESPs. Mysteriously here were no big cognitions and the auditing was grinding....and then suddenly, one day, NOTHING was there. No additives to me..... just huge space. No reasons 'why' for anything, but me.

The second time I got the Clear release was doing the Survival Rundown. I had composite pieces arrive in present time and disappear....and then there was simply only ME again.... for the longest time. NO bits of any beings, occupied the same viewpoint of dimension as myself.

The third Clear release was experienced on Problems and Help in Grade I. This resulted in nearly two years exterior for me. It released whole packages of archtypes, with remnant ridges coming apart and floating away for months.

These might just be mind games, or practices for getting into and out of identities, but we've had some good tools developed here and there thru time.
 
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