Adventures as an OSA undercover agent

Alanzo

Not a Team Player
@Alanzo.

Fair enough but why would you choose to drag things up from decades ago that were nothing to do with scientology as you have done with Karen? That isn't just criticising, that is very definite smearing and is reminiscent of OSA tactics.
That has been taken down from my blog.

And deleted from Google's index.
 

Dotey OT

Dis-Membered
Thanks, ITYIWT.
Here's the best way for me to describe it.

To just stick to criticizing or examining Scientology, and never anti-Scientology, is like just criticizing Trump. Or Just criticizing Hillary.

You leave out criticizing or examining the Republican party, or the Democratic party.

You leave out criticizing or examining the corporate welfare/political donations system of both candidates and their parties. You leave out criticizing and examining the American Perpetual War machine and the iniquities of capitalism.

If you leave out examining all that and just focus on Trump, or just focus on Hillary, you'll never get to see the wider picture, and the wider causes.
There could be a point in politics to be made about motivations, misconceptions, for lack of a better phrase "being right", leanings, etc. of how one gets embroiled.

But I imagine that over in politics land, you would be hard pressed to find a blog that is for Trump saying how bad Trump is. Or one that is anti-Trump saying how good he is.

Find another way to describe what you are doing.
 

freethinker

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The art of war by Sun Tzu was a recommended read by L Ron Hubbard for his OSA spies.

After they read it, they do some demos to implant it into their subconscious minds:


DEMO: How you could apply the following to the
handling of an attacker: "Therefore the clever
combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not
allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him."

ESSAY: Write up an example of how you could apply:
"The art of war teaches us to rely not on the
likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own
readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his
not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have

made our position unassailable."

This ^^^ would explain why you don't allow people to post on your blog any opinions that don't agree with yours.

Alanzo: Can you share your wins of reading that book and doing your demos as an OSA spy then and in PT?
You're wasting your time as Alanzo doesn't answer questions. I'm just waiting to see how many threads he starts to avoid them. That's his tactic.

I am also waiting to see how many he can start before the Admin takes notice. 3? 5? 8?

Who knows.
 

Lone Star

Well-known member
You're wasting your time as Alanzo doesn't answer questions. I'm just waiting to see how many threads he starts to avoid them. That's his tactic.

I am also waiting to see how many he can start before the Admin takes notice. 3? 5? 8?

Who knows.
Yes starting many threads is his tactic. He's also here for a reason. Or reasons. An agenda. If you note his thread on this new "Over The Rainbow" movie I think you can begin to see at least a part of his agenda.

Surprisingly he seems to have one very unlikely ally now. Or at least in the past it would've been unlikely. Who knows now.

Oh the world of Ex Scientology can be a Bizarro World at times. :melodramatic:
 

Dotey OT

Dis-Membered
Yes starting many threads is his tactic. He's also here for a reason. Or reasons. An agenda. If you note his thread on this new "Over The Rainbow" movie I think you can begin to see at least a part of his agenda.

Surprisingly he seems to have one very unlikely ally now. Or at least in the past it would've been unlikely. Who knows now.

Oh the world of Ex Scientology can be a Bizarro World at times. :melodramatic:
I wouldn't have thunk it. But it's true. You would think it would be an agreed upon effort.

Scientology is bizarre, ex is bizarre. I see being ex as simpler than it's being portrayed.
 

Karakorum

Well-known member
I wouldn't have thunk it. But it's true. You would think it would be an agreed upon effort.

Scientology is bizarre, ex is bizarre. I see being ex as simpler than it's being portrayed.
There is an acceptable portrayal of exers? What? :scratch:
 

Alanzo

Not a Team Player
There could be a point in politics to be made about motivations, misconceptions, for lack of a better phrase "being right", leanings, etc. of how one gets embroiled.

But I imagine that over in politics land, you would be hard pressed to find a blog that is for Trump saying how bad Trump is. Or one that is anti-Trump saying how good he is.

Find another way to describe what you are doing.
Reason is achieved on a case by case basis.

The truth about anything is BOTH the good and the bad. Not just the good. And not just the bad.

I've been out for 20 years. I can tell you that, at first, railing against all the bad in Scientology felt very good - especially after never being allowed to acknowledge any of the bad as a Scientologist.

But after a while of being out, as I've written in my bio, I began to see the same tribalism in Anti-Scientology that I saw in Scientology. And I also saw how Anti-Scientology uses some of the same tactics used in the Church against people who now and then mention the good in Scientology. Both being forced to say only the good, and being forced to say only the bad, begins to corrode your soul.

In both, you are not dealing with the truth.

There are no "sides" to the truth. Thus, the truth is NEVER tribal.

It was very bad for me to not be allowed to investigate, examine and write about whatever I wanted. I found that my loyalties to both Scientology as a scientologist, and my loyalties to Antis were making me blind and hysterical. And I realized that this is a very unsustainable way for me to live.

Just like in the story above, as a Scientologist, I tried to understand the Cult Awareness Network members in the bar. This led me to be called "worthless" etc by OSA personnel Carol Brookes and Randy Kretchmar.

Well guess what? I didn't give a shit then, and I don't give a shit now.

I try to be more loyal to the truth, than to any person or group.

I've learned that this is the most sustainable way for me to live my life - especially as an Ex-Scientologist.
 
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Lone Star

Well-known member
Reason is achieved on a case by case basis.

The truth about anything is BOTH the good and the bad. Not just the good. And not just the bad.

I've been out for 20 years. I can tell you that, at first, railing against all the bad in Scientology felt very good - especially after never being allowed to acknowledge any of the bad as a Scientologist.

But after a while of being out, as I've written in my bio, I began to see the same tribalism in Anti-Scientology that I saw in Scientology. And I also saw how Anti-Scientology uses some of the same tactics used in the Church against people who now and then mention the good in Scientology. Both being forced to say only the good, and being forced to say only the bad, begins to corrode your soul.

In both, you are not dealing with the truth.

There are no "sides" to the truth. Thus, the truth is NEVER tribal.

It was very bad for me to not be allowed to investigate, examine and write about whatever I wanted. I found that my loyalties to both Scientology as a scientologist, and my loyalties to Antis were making me blind and hysterical. And I realized that this is a very unsustainable way for me to live.

Just like in the story above, as a Scientologist, I tried to understand the Cult Awareness Network members in the bar. This led me to be called "worthless" etc by OSA personnel Carol Brookes and Randy Kretchmar.

Well guess what? I didn't give a shit then, and I don't give a shit now.

I try to be more loyal to the truth, than to any person or group.

I've learned that this is the most sustainable way for me to live my life.

"I try to be more loyal to the truth, than to any person or group." --Alanzo the Noble One


Yes, to the point that you are willing to character assassinate a person in pursuit of your loyalty to "the truth". Remember what ITYIWT asked you? You replied by saying that you took it down from your blog. Well, the fact that you put something like that up in the first place illustrates my point. And how much damage did it do to this person all the while it WAS up? Of course you don't really care.

Fact is that you can and often do play dirty. So don't pretend that you are this noble pursuer of truth. That kind of BS makes me want to have my barg bag to hand.
 

Dotey OT

Dis-Membered
There is an acceptable portrayal of exers? What? :scratch:
Not sure what the "what" is for here.

Just saying that things seem a bit simpler than are being portrayed in regards to being out of the cult, and labeling things and people because they take a stand against the cult. Oh fuck it. I give up.
 

Karakorum

Well-known member

Karakorum

Well-known member
Not sure what the "what" is for here.

Just saying that things seem a bit simpler than are being portrayed in regards to being out of the cult, and labeling things and people because they take a stand against the cult. Oh fuck it. I give up.
And there was me was thinking that there is some cool slick stereotypical portrayal of exers created by Hollywood that I could cash in on. :coolwink:
 
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Bill

Well-known member
Reason is achieved on a case by case basis.

The truth about anything is BOTH the good and the bad. Not just the good. And not just the bad.

I've been out for 20 years. I can tell you that, at first, railing against all the bad in Scientology felt very good - especially after never being allowed to acknowledge any of the bad as a Scientologist.

But after a while of being out, as I've written in my bio, I began to see the same tribalism in Anti-Scientology that I saw in Scientology. And I also saw how Anti-Scientology uses some of the same tactics used in the Church against people who now and then mention the good in Scientology. Both being forced to say only the good, and being forced to say only the bad, begins to corrode your soul.

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Nope. You are promoting the "cliques", "tribes" and whatnot again. Not true. That's just a "you and he should fight" tactic. "There are sides! You are on the wrong side!" and so on.

Maybe you believe this crap. Maybe you don't -- but you sure push it hard. I don't buy it and I'm pretty sure most ex-Scientologists don't. You want people to start fighting YOUR battle -- whatever that is. Nope.

I'm not buying your crap. Go away.
 

Alanzo

Not a Team Player
Nope. You are promoting the "cliques", "tribes" and whatnot again. Not true. That's just a "you and he should fight" tactic. "There are sides! You are on the wrong side!" and so on.

Maybe you believe this crap. Maybe you don't -- but you sure push it hard. I don't buy it and I'm pretty sure most ex-Scientologists don't. You want people to start fighting YOUR battle -- whatever that is. Nope.

I'm not buying your crap. Go away.
Hi Bill.

I was asked a question, and I answered it sincerely.
 

Alanzo

Not a Team Player
So this was an an OSA Op that I was part of when I was a Scientologist. It disgusted me and I made the decision to stay well away from these assholes based on my own personal knowledge of them.

What kind of person would keep going, would keep working for OSA, after they'd learned what they were all about?

Is a scientologist really "brainwashed" into working for OSA?

Or do they work for them on their own choice?
 
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Oat Tea Ate

Guest
"I try to be more loyal to the truth, than to any person or group." --Alanzo the Noble One

Yes, to the point that you are willing to character assassinate a person in pursuit of your loyalty to "the truth". Remember what ITYIWT asked you? You replied by saying that you took it down from your blog. Well, the fact that you put something like that up in the first place illustrates my point. And how much damage did it do to this person all the while it WAS up? Of course you don't really care.

Fact is that you can and often do play dirty. So don't pretend that you are this noble pursuer of truth. That kind of BS makes me want to have my barf bag to hand.
This is really good Lone Star. Thank you for this post.
Alanzo is posting up Karen's video all over social media according to the moles out there reporting in to several sources.
That is back firing on Alanzo.
People love the documentary and she and Jeffrey are getting a lot of positive reviews.
Thanks Alanzo - your disseminating this video is very well done.
:D
 
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