3 typical stages to leaving Scn

Veda

Well-known member
1. Thinks management is the problem.

2. Doubts about "tech" (and sometimes Hubbard) appear.

3. Realizes that the good in Scientology consists mostly of good people & some common sense ideas, and realizes the bad in Scientology exploits the good people and ideas , which creates the abusive and amoral subject and organization of Scientology.

The old glue analogy: solvent, which frees and then dissipates, and lacquer which gradually hardens and sticks the person.

What do we do with someone at step 1? How tolerant should we be?

1985: Mayo & some lawyers during a time when most were at Stage One.
 
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kaiser

Member
... How about this:

1. Things I study just don't make any sense and I can't discuss it with anyone because I am supposed to just understand it exactly as it says in the policy.
2. I have to redo courses and grades and pay for it again at 100%. (I thought the Tech was perfect)
3. I find out that other SCNs around me are not 100% honest, ethical, and responsible human beings as I thought.
4. When I ask how LRH died, I am told he left the body to explore the universe, but later I discover on the Internet that it's not true at all.
5. When I try to talk about past lives, I am told that I can't talk about it. (Wtf? I thought we were immortal powerful beings.)
6. I find the discrimination of non-SCNs disgusting. (I find non-SCNs quite pleasant to talk to. They are smart, you know.)
7. I get sick and tired of being told what I can and cannot do, and what I can and cannot think.
8. I start separating myself from other SCNs and the Org.
9. I find myself thinking that management is awful and Tech is ok.
10. I find myself thinking that the whole of subject of Scientology is one big pile of horse-raddish.
11. I accept the fact that I am not a Scientologist, I disconnect, and move on.


... And I start believing in myself....
 

Free to shine

Smelling the roses
I wrote this a long time ago, and it includes a link to Arnie Lerma's original version.
Stages of Leaving scientology
Arnie Lerma's 8 Steps out of Scientology was a big help to me. It gave me a reference and explanation of the journey. Here is the original :
8 steps out of Scientology
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This is my own personal view of the stages of leaving Scientology. I realise it's an individual journey and some may not agree with me, but it's worth discussing. It's around point 6 that many seem to go back and forth a bit.

1) Noticing there is something wrong in some area.

2) Attempting to have the wrongness corrected locally.
(“It must be just that person’s Mus”.)

3) Attempting to have wrongness corrected by upper management.
("The local area is not following Source.”)

4) Personal Ethics cycles/sec checks as none of your reports were acted on and so any disagreement must be your fault. At this point you either step back in line or start seeking more information.

5) CRISIS POINT. The realisation that orgs are not run the way you first envisioned, and the thought that it must have changed with DM and has been “taken over”.

6) Finding out the truth about all the lies you were told. At this point you may still want to believe that some parts of the “tech” works, or that it was only in later years that it went wrong.

7) Realising that Hubbard designed it all from the start.

8) Realising it is a complete fraud, there are no Clears and Ots and it was all about money.

9) Wanting to do something about it.
 

Paul Adams

(Dulloldfart on ESMB)
When I was at Stage 1 I got excited that the FreeZone existed. I thought to myself that thank god a bunch of rational OTs got together and now all the crazy will be gone.

Then I started reading the FreeZone material.

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There's the "Freezone" or "freezone," approximately the same (well, pre-GAT) tech as before.

And then there's the "Free Zone," CBR's definitely-not-the-same stuff (see The Works of Captain Bill Robertson (CBR) — Excalibur, Phoenix etc.). I always remember the different spelling by saying "free space zone" for CBR's crazy space stuff. Although not many people respect, or are even aware of, the two different spellings.
 
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BTW

Active member
1. Thinks management is the problem.

2. Doubts about "tech" (and sometimes Hubbard) appear.

3. Realizes that the good in Scientology consists mostly of good people & some common sense ideas, and realizes the bad in Scientology exploits the good people and ideas , which creates the abusive and amoral subject and organization of Scientology.

The old glue analogy: solvent, which frees and then dissipates, and lacquer which gradually hardens and sticks the person.

What do we do with someone at step 1? How tolerant should we be?

1985: Mayo & some lawyers during a time when most were at Stage One.
To answer your question, I'd better let them have their illusion.

The thing is that a disillusioned person is no good. - Experienced myself.

A person, to live, to survive, MUST have some kind of illusion, even if it's a delusion.
 

BTW

Active member
I'm afraid you have to use "Acceptable Truth" with a person.

Someone who JUST left Scientology is NOT ready to see the core of an Onion (that Hubbard wasn't a person he claimed to be)
 
To handle someone at Stage 1, I would just (as others have said) tell them about the Freezone. This may appeal to them; even if you'd rather they didn't end up there, at least you are showing them a road out.

And -- particularly if they're in the SO, I would tell them that they are welcome to visit you any day, without making an appointment first. I don't think this will be seen as "entheta" to be resisted. Eventually, when they cognite they want out, they won't hesitate for lack of a place to go.

Helena
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
And -- particularly if they're in the SO, I would tell them that they are welcome to visit you any day, without making an appointment first. I don't think this will be seen as "entheta" to be resisted. Eventually, when they cognite they want out, they won't hesitate for lack of a place to go.
I had an old SO buddy call me up to try to reg me to buy books. I told him to keep my number, and that "If you're ever in my area, you will be welcome in my house".

Never got another reg call. I guess they are scared of people offering refuge.
 

JustSheila

Well-known member
I'm afraid you have to use "Acceptable Truth" with a person.

Someone who JUST left Scientology is NOT ready to see the core of an Onion (that Hubbard wasn't a person he claimed to be)
Some are, some aren't. Some are fully out in a matter of months rejecting all things to do with Scientology or Hubbard. People come from different backgrounds and areas and have different personalities and experiences.

There isn't any "one correct procedure" or "one size fits all" to help those that leave. There is no "one Bridge to lead them all, one road to set them free." Individuals handle what they can, how they choose and when they choose. Everyone is different.
 

Bill

Active member
1. Thinks management is the problem.

2. Doubts about "tech" (and sometimes Hubbard) appear.

3. Realizes that the good in Scientology consists mostly of good people & some common sense ideas, and realizes the bad in Scientology exploits the good people and ideas , which creates the abusive and amoral subject and organization of Scientology.

The old glue analogy: solvent, which frees and then dissipates, and lacquer which gradually hardens and sticks the person.

What do we do with someone at step 1? How tolerant should we be?

1985: Mayo & some lawyers during a time when most were at Stage One.
It is my opinion that pretty much every CoS Scientologist knows that something is wrong. When I was in, I was well aware that I hadn't gotten the promised gains; that the Scientologists I knew were not demonstrating "homo novis" at all; that the money-money-money pressure was wrong; that the orgs I personally saw were not "straight up and vertical" expanding -- and so on.

I don't think one needs to convince a Scientologist that things are wrong in Scientology, I just think you need to get them to acknowledge what they already know.
 

HelluvaHoax!

Well-known member
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There's the "Freezone" or "freezone," approximately the same (well, pre-GAT) tech as before.

And then there's the "Free Zone. . . .
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And then there's the O-Zone.

As in: "O-shit, I'm in a f*cking cult!"

That's when the
O-Zone quickly turns into the Blow-Zone.

Indie/Freezone Scientology: The methadones of cult addiction. Equally toxic to Hubbard's heroin, but a cool marketing gimmick for broke Scientolgists who get that old nostalgic F/Ney feelin' when offered total freedom from Total Freedom.

,
 
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Dotey OT

Flat Ball Bearing
1. Thinks management is the problem.

2. Doubts about "tech" (and sometimes Hubbard) appear.

3. Realizes that the good in Scientology consists mostly of good people & some common sense ideas, and realizes the bad in Scientology exploits the good people and ideas , which creates the abusive and amoral subject and organization of Scientology.

The old glue analogy: solvent, which frees and then dissipates, and lacquer which gradually hardens and sticks the person.

What do we do with someone at step 1? How tolerant should we be?

1985: Mayo & some lawyers during a time when most were at Stage One.
Talking to someone that is at step one, but a total believer in the tech proves to be tricky. I had a cycle, and am actually working with someone getting out. They are totally a believer in the tek and you-know-who. But they are already into step three, somewhat.
 

BTW

Active member
Some are, some aren't. Some are fully out in a matter of months rejecting all things to do with Scientology or Hubbard. People come from different backgrounds and areas and have different personalities and experiences.

There isn't any "one correct procedure" or "one size fits all" to help those that leave. There is no "one Bridge to lead them all, one road to set them free." Individuals handle what they can, how they choose and when they choose. Everyone is different.
RE: BOLDED If they are "fully out", how come they are in (unless it's Miscavige's niece, etc)
 

cleared cannibal

Well-known member
It is my opinion that pretty much every CoS Scientologist knows that something is wrong. When I was in, I was well aware that I hadn't gotten the promised gains; that the Scientologists I knew were not demonstrating "homo novis" at all; that the money-money-money pressure was wrong; that the orgs I personally saw were not "straight up and vertical" expanding -- and so on.

I don't think one needs to convince a Scientologist that things are wrong in Scientology, I just think you need to get them to acknowledge what they already know.
They are just adding on to this feeling something is wrong with all these programs and openings. What is next? One can only get their hopes up only to have them squashed so many times. It has been 4-5 years since I have been at an org much but even then I could see the moral dropping . I wonder how it is now? There will be a spike when your new org opens but what happens when nothing happens? I liken it to having cancer and getting cured only to have it re occur. Very depressing.

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Super power.

Ideal orgs.

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Why not? Even if they didn't become a card-carrying Freezoner, at least it's out of the Church. Once they realize they don't need the C of S, they may later cognite they don't need the tech. Think of the Freezone as a stepping stone to getting totally out if you will.

Or if they want to embrace the Freezone, that's all right too. I believe everyone should do what they want.

Helena
 
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