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  1. Dotey OT

    Lee Spewing again....

    As public, and staff, with a very short time in the S.O., I bet your view is more common in front facing posts, like delivery personnel at service orgs. At least what I saw.
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    Lee Spewing again....

    I was in during your time in. Thanks!
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    Lee Spewing again....

    My whole existence in scn was after you left. I should have asked you!! I was one of those that energetically followed (most) rules once I got in. A very good friend of mine was surfing the web at night while her husband was asleep, looking at "entheta." Her husband told me about it so I...
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    Lee Spewing again....

    I was mid the PTS/SP course when the basics came out. I screamed for the reference that said I needed to go back and do whatever the pre-reqs were then, I thing you had to do DMSMH and SOS. No one could get me a reference, and I started to get into ethics trouble. That was really the...
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    Lee Spewing again....

    I was still in then, but I was snowed. I disagreed with the basics bullshit, and the ideal org project smelled fishy. However I worked for a whale, if you can believe that. Not going to say too much, but I was in the thick of stuff, at least at my org. I went clear at Flag five years after you...
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    Lee Spewing again....

    I know what you mean! I started "seeing the light" maybe seven or eight years before I officially left. I made mine official the moment that I knew I never would do another service, ever again. I might be on the fringe, but I would rather have a blow up than reveal. I'm still connected in...
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    Lee Spewing again....

    Sorry, wasn't intending to infer that you didn't. Thought that those that didn't answer, just didn't. But thanks!!
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    Lee Spewing again....

    Thanks for answering! Not many answers, or not willing to answer. I have been thinking that for the most part, the participants here have been out a lot longer that I have been. I think there are many that have been out before I joined. I joined around 1989, and have really been out since...
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    Lee Spewing again....

    How many people here are out within the last five years? Three years?? One year? If you don't want to answer, don't, just curious.
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    Lee Spewing again....

    I actually finally fucking saw, after years and years of evidence in my face and in my head, how vicious scientology in so many ways really is. I started off just thinking I didn't get why people got their heads chopped off. People in positions of power within the organization were taught...
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    Lee Spewing again....

    Totally true. Aren't they really very far past the clearing the planet lie, so far that it would be appearant to more people?
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    Lee Spewing again....

    As staff in an org, I had to make enough money moonlighting to make ends meet and pay child support. Oh yeah, I got divorced because of the cult. So I would make maybe $2,000 a year, and have to moonlight evenings and weekends to pay for a place to live, food, gas and child support. Weekends, I...
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    Lee Spewing again....

    Where I was, there were two things that I would hear and people would apply. Competence is above case gain. Purpose is senior to policy. These two short statements created havoc. You did not need auditing to get products. Go the tough way.
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    Lee Spewing again....

    Three words. You have to know these words in order to survive. They can get you through a lot. Civilizations have been lost without them. Cultures extinct because of their absence. The whole agonized future of this planet, every man, woman and child on it depends on it. Fuck that shit.
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    Lee Spewing again....

    While on this topic, there has been a few times where I was directed to a subject in the past, and that I should check in ESMB archives. That has been difficult for me, as I'm fairly newly out, and what I have been going through has been gone through by everyone else here (ho hum). You can read...
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    Lee Spewing again....

    I have been out now for a couple of years. Was involved for just about thirty years. On staff for about ten, in the SO for less than in year. There have been a few times since I have been here, on either ESMB, where I could see the strata that is spoken about here in use. I have had...
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