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  1. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    It's been many years since these videos were made. Can't help but wonder what became of these people. Some, at least, may now be ex Scientologists.
  2. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    ________________________ This is a six year old video. The person gave all her money to Scientology, did OT 8, and then joined staff. ________________________ The "EP' of New OT 8, succinctly put: "I don't know who I am." __________________
  3. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Can't think of any Scientologists who'd be upset at Jesus Christ being blasphemed, but probably most would be upset to hear that evil beings outside the MEST universe are making it impossible for them to become OT.
  4. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    It means that Mike Rinder in December 2012 stated the opposite of what he stated in March 2014, on a number of different topics. If anyone cares what Mike Rinder thinks about this topic then there are two paths: Consult the record of his blog or any other public communications to see if he...
  5. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    There's a complication. That's January 2013. (Dates can be important.) Rinder changed. DEC 2012 was in phase one March 2014 was in phase two Not sure when Rinder shifted from phase one to phase two, but the above quote is only a month from phase one and is probably in phase one. This post...
  6. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Not if you think like a Scientologist and believe that virtually everything on Earth is a dramatization of R6 implants, including Beethoven's music. Also, Beethoven would have had a different brain, different entities, different "BTs" etc. Plus, per Scientology, a human is a composite that is...
  7. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    "Advanced Course" Scientologists were briefly told about the sinister "Controllers" outside the "MEST" universe, for which there was no remedy offered, and, as a result, became "PTS"; then that upsetting confidential HCOB disappeared. There's no single comprehensive description of that...
  8. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    When I first encountered Scientology, over a period of a few months, I purchased all the books and read them. One of the books was History of Man, originally titled What to Audit. In this book Hubbard presented the idea that a human being was a composite being. The composite consisted of...
  9. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    If you're so impressed with the OT levels why haven't you done them? One of the first things I did after resigning my membership in the organization, a long long time ago, was find a 'pc" and audit him from ARC S/W, to Dianetics, to Lower Grades, to Clearing, and onto the OT levels. I wanted to...
  10. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Those doing OT 8 are financially and heavily psychologically invested in the cult of Scientology. And let's not forget that it is a cult. OT 8 is done on the ship which is a cult within a cult (the Sea Org) within a cult (Scientology). "People doing OT 8 'think for themselves'." Lol! IMO...
  11. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Who is to say? The Hubbard Guidance Center? The (adverized) premise of auditing is that the person decides from himself. (Minus subtle coercion.) This is broader than New OT 8, and also broader then the 1980 Student Briefing. This is a matter of Hubbard deteriorating and his followers...
  12. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Why should they let go of a past identity? Because the e-meter tells then so? Because some procedure tells them so? This is Hubbard's case superimposed over others.
  13. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    It's subtle. It's as though maybe half of those who've done OT 8 - which is such a thorough psychological molestation of one's most intimate being - would go mad, or at least experience profound psychological discomfort, if they were to find fault with the procedure.
  14. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    I guess you don't see the irony of your praising OT VIII while laughing at Hubbard.
  15. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    "I know with certainty where I was and who I was in the last 80 trillion years." L. Ron Hubbard, from the book Mission into Time. Published 1973
  16. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Tell us the truth that was revealed on OT VIII. Do you have mental image pictures?
  17. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Hubbard, for whatever reason, insisted that facsimiles were always pictures. A blind person with a facsimile of a bakery with its aromas, would, while returning to an incident in the bakery, per Hubbard, have a black picture with a bakery aroma. The - seemingly redundant - term, MENTAL IMAGE...
  18. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    During Scientology's period of greatest expansion, during the 1960s and into the 1970s, this was the "Ability Gained" of OT 8, which sat atop the much displayed Grade Chart: "Ability to be at cause knowingly and at will over thought, life, form, matter, energy, space and time, subjective and...
  19. Veda

    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    One would think they'd concoct an OT 9 and 10, just as they did OT 8, but something is preventing Miscavige from attempting this. When Marty was out, and was the "Marty Luther "of Independent Scientology, circa 2011, he insisted that OT 8 was IT: the top level. This was odd, as OT 8 is...
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