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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    I have, more or less, reached the same conclusion. (y)
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Oh boy, here we go again; first you change my words and their context, then resort to a "helpful advice" ad hominem in order to belittle the man rather than addressing the message. :clapping:
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Yes. Everything about New OTVIII is confidential in the CofS. Security of data is paramount. That's just one of the reason why those OTVIII Success Stories are so lame, anyone who has done the Level is very careful about what they say about it. Videos of their onboard Graduation speeches are...
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    It's mentioned often in scientology basics under the subject of valences and addressed as an undesirable state in auditing when someone is seen as being "out of valence" (being someone other than themself). I only used those the extreme examples of Cleopatra and Napoleleon to make a rhetorical...
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Maybe half a dozen (including the usual suspects KSW#1 and Tech Degrades) if memory serves. The History Of Man Chapter on Time Track of Theta, particularly that dealing with Transfers is the main body of indoc. The OTVIII course was updated around the time of GAT but by that time I had no need...
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Lol, and you apparently think that people doing OT8 don't decide for themselves. You're misinformed but we're going around in circles. You know one of the actual barriers to learning is the idea that you already know all about it. Let me know if you ever decide that you want to learn something...
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Gee, let me think. Maybe because their belief in that past identity is most likely delusional? Do delusional beliefs about Self help or hinder in life, I wonder? Remember all those Jesuses, Napoleans, Cleopatras, etc in scientology that we're always laughing about? That. :)
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Yep, that's my experience too. The thing is that whilst we've heard plenty from detractors we don't hear much from those of a differing opinion. They seem somehow unwilling to counter the accepted narrative or be seen as endorsing scientology in any way. I'm sort of like that in some ways, I'd...
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Personally, I didn't experience any "psychological molestation" on OTVIII but it's not about me, no matter how much you try to bend the conversation in that direction. The weird fact is: about half of the OTVIIIs I know (and I know a few) did find that Level beneficial (in their own estimation)...
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Fair enough. That's always going to happen, IMO. As long as we remain polite with each other, I'm OK with that. :)
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Well, instead of just dogpiling on with Veda's passive-aggressive tone maybe you'll point to where I supposedly "praised OTVIII". This is a discussion, viewpoints vary. Caroline would like the thread to return to the subject at hand; Hubbard's Luciferian WTF? Issue. I'm fine with that.
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Praising OTVIII? Where exactly did you see me doing that? I'm on record as stating that I wouldn't recommend anyone follow in my footsteps, there are easier (and safer) ways to get there. I'm simply stating the truth as I see it. As Alan Walter once told us, "The truth is what it is, not what...
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Lol. Which part of scientology doesn't stem from some earlier practice? Luckily for me, I have no concerns at all about what Hubbard might or might not object to. :)
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Lol, if you believe that I heard there's a Bridge for sale! :coolwink:
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    I'd guess that it was addressed in Qual, like most disagreements concerning Tech matters. The person was probably made to restudy the relevant issues and "corrected" until his reality was adjusted to conform, I imagine. I never heard anyone mention it when I was in scientology but I sure heard...
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    See my response to Caroline above^^^ I can have them if I so desire. I don't really desire them.
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Yes and yes, I know NOTs also addresses this. If you consider that, upon embarking on OTVIII, the person really believes and has attested to "no more PT (present time) BTs" then what is being addressed on OTVIII is the person's own misconceptions as to who he/she is. These are identities the...
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    Yes, Truth Revealed was a sort of blanket description of what may be attained on the Level. It's a truth rather than the truth. Some people find it quite enlightening and some people are apparenty annoyed and disappointed to discover that they're not who they thought they were. :)
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    They are conceived as such on New OTVIII. Think about it; "Now knows who he/she isn't and interested in finding out who he/she is." New OT VIII addresses identities the person thinks of as "self". BT and Cluster pictures encountered in auditing and/or life are a definite factor (not the ONLY...
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    OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing

    The State Attained for OTVIII shown in the posts above refer to a completely different (pre-NOTs) rendition of that Level. I've never seen that particular Ability promised for post-NOTs New OTVIII. I certainly never expected that from the Level. My sympathies to anyone who did. :)
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