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  1. Type4_PTS

    What is Rhetoric?

    Hmmm, not exactly..., but the concept of social proof doesn't really accurately describe the phenomena I was wishing to address. But I'm heading to sleep soon so will .maybe post about it at another time. I'm pretty tired now but still awake enough to see that you've ignored my question for the...
  2. Type4_PTS

    What is Rhetoric?

    As I acknowledged, rhetoric did play a major role in persuading me. But it wasn't the only factor. A major factor that influenced me when I got involved had nothing to do with Hubbard's rhetoric. I was influenced by the other members at Boston Org. There is a concept known as "social...
  3. Type4_PTS

    What is Rhetoric?

    @Riddick I have no doubt that Hubbard's use of rhetoric played a major role in people getting sucked into the cult and getting them to become a Scientologist, building their own prison of belief. I know for me personally, yes, it did do that. And your posts years ago on ESMB helped me see...
  4. Type4_PTS

    What is Rhetoric?

    That's why I wrote: Here, I'll go ahead and repost one of them, originally posted here. (see the second example): But just as in the second example, the first example consists of a threat, coercing someone to turn over their wallet. The second threat, the Scientology example is even more...
  5. Type4_PTS

    What is Rhetoric?

    Actually, I gave you examples that were related to Scientology. You ignored them. Here, I'll go ahead and repost one of them, originally posted here. (see the second example): ------------------------------------------------------------------ Is coercive communication utilizing threats...
  6. Type4_PTS

    What is Rhetoric?

    I read it and I don't see how it supports your point. You seem to believe that rhetoric encompasses all forms of persuasion. I don't believe that it does and that Wikipedia article doesn't make that claim either. HH wrote: And he's right. I asked you some questions, giving you examples...
  7. Type4_PTS

    What is Rhetoric?

    Achieving Clear or OT isn't the purpose of a communications course. Some people felt the course improved their ability to communicate. How is that rhetoric? It IS designed to persuade people that Scientology works. It's like cheese in the mousetrap. But it's not rhetoric. If the purpose...
  8. Type4_PTS

    What is Rhetoric?

    I've given you some pretty clear examples of things that don't constitute persuasive speech (or writing) and you've done nothing to refute what I wrote.
  9. Type4_PTS

    What is Rhetoric?

    I could... The HCO PL's were full of rhetoric and even back then I noticed some strange things which he incorporated into the policy letters that had nothing to do with the particular policy but were there to make readers realize how wonderful he was or to draw out some emotional reaction. I'd...
  10. Type4_PTS

    What is Rhetoric?

    Again, I acknowledge that the Dianetics book was full of rhetoric, but when he includes abreaction therapy which he lifted from the psychs how is that rhetoric? He made many fraudulent claims in the book and Dianetics never created Clears as described in that book, but some people feel they...
  11. Type4_PTS

    What is Rhetoric?

    Is coercive communication utilizing threats considered to be rhetoric? As an example, you're walking down the street and some thug comes up behind you, puts a gun to your head, and says "Give me your wallet NOW or you're going to die!" Another example: You're sitting across from the Ethics...
  12. Type4_PTS

    What is Rhetoric?

    No doubt that Hubbard used rhetoric throughout his writings and lectures but it wasn't all rhetoric. If you start at the very beginning with the Dianetics book, yeah, it's filled with rhetoric, and filled with deceitful claims, but it also includes a squirreled version of Abreaction Therapy...
  13. Type4_PTS

    What is Rhetoric?

    Hey Riddick, I really like your signature. Great use of rhetoric! :coolwink: I feel like you're simplifying the relationship though between Scientology and Hubbard's use of rhetoric in some of your postings. Yes, he uses rhetoric. But to say "it's all rhetoric" doesn't provide enough...
  14. Type4_PTS

    What is Rhetoric?

    It IS pretty persuasive. And in that situation, I'd assign the person with a gun a condition of Enemy or maybe even lower, and help him through the conditions into Non-Existence or Normal.
  15. Type4_PTS

    What is Rhetoric?

    ESMB had its own version: The Two Word Limit Per Post Thread. PART 1 https://forum.exscn.net/threads/the-two-word-limit-per-post-thread-part-1.6784/
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