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  1. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . Sure, I recall. When I was a young teen, I did not know that adults, best selling authors, war heroes, doctors & nuclear scientists could lie, trick, cheat, steal and defraud. Public schools don't teach children about pathological liars, con men & sociopaths. .
  2. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . Here is what I really like about this RHETORIC thread. The rest not so much. RIDDICK Recall a time when Ron used Rhetoric. ESMB MEMBER Okay, the time Ron use ethos and lied about being a nuclear physicist, war hero, doctor, ingenious research scientist, planetary savior and mankind's...
  3. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . I guess one could say that i was persuaded by rhetoric. Tom Cruise asked me a rhetorical question: "So whadya say, are we gonna clean this place up?" Then they routed me to see this free video and I was hooked! Crazy lying people—defrauding and ruining sane people, what's not to like...
  4. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . LOL LOL LOL ! SuperCreepy! PowerCreepy! CringeyCreepy! Looking at that corny staged photo, I began to feel like I was slipping into a deep coma. When my consciousness level revives, I am going to re-post that (along with some low-toned comments) over on the 100 TOP SUPER-STUPID MOMENTS...
  5. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . LOL, that photo has an unimaginably cringey dose of pathos! They each have their own special package of geekiness and one wonders what each would be doing if there had never been a hoax called Scientology--or a billion year contract for sector salvagers dressed up in in fake military...
  6. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . Interesting etymology of the term "hobby horse", but that is not the appropriate definition or way Hubbard used the term--and it was entirely unrelated to England, St. Hill, folklorists or rhetoric. The common definition of Hobby Horse Hubbard used is at wiki under: "Hobby Horse (toy)", not...
  7. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . . LOL Harold's cut-n-paste stats are straight up and vertigo! That's what happens when a dizzying tsunami of non-sequitur links/articles are unleashed in the middle of normal people trying to have a conversation. .
  8. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . . LOL The subtitle (below that banner headline) could be: "A scholar and master of rhetorical persuasion gets really annoyed when people are not persuaded" .
  9. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . Who are you debating? Everyone already agrees that Scientology uses rhetoric (i.e. verbal/written persuasion). However, every time someone showcases OTHER forms of persuasion that Scientology uses, you ignore their examples and/or insult their intelligence. That is a very UN-persuasive...
  10. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . Here's another reason why Scientologists/Indies are not able to have a normal conversation about Scientology. Because they believe that they can have a "big win", wherein they "cognite" that you (the ex-Scientologist) are an SP. But you cannot have a "big win" or "cognite" that they are in...
  11. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    ... . Yes, that would be interesting! It's been attempted often on ESMB discussion threads, but I can only recall one (1) time over the past dozen years where an Indie Scientologist was able to engage in a productive dialogue without it devolving into acrimonious disconnection, where the...
  12. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . . . This is becoming an unseemly dispute. As such I have taken the liberty of recruiting a celebrity arbitrator to help us all make an optimum, analytical, high-toned and ethical decision about rhetoric and logos: Originally Posted by Tom Cruise So whatdya say, are we going to clean...
  13. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . . . Good point. In my experience, the only two (2) things in Scientology that get verified are: 1. That someone says they "feel good about it". These scientific affidavits (also known as mandatory Success Stories) are analogous to a tourist having their passport stamped when traveling...
  14. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . . Your signature line boasts that you are an "Indie Scientologist", which brings up an interesting question. Even though you are apparently not claiming that the "modern science" (of Dianetics/Scientology) is a science--do you still nevertheless believe that Hubbard's "discoveries" and...
  15. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . . QUESTION: When Reid Slatkin and Bernie Maddoff ran the Ponzi Schemes and billions were lost, they showed investors fake bank documents with annual returns averaging est. 24% annually. No such accounts existed and no returns like that were in fact being produced. Was that rhetoric or...
  16. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . Yes, that's the problem I also have with the "everything is rhetoric" argument. That there are so many obvious examples of "persuasive" entrapment gimmicks used in Scientology that have nothing to do with rhetoric. I have also mentioned some in previous posts. Here's another: Sleep...
  17. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . Why do i have this sinking feeling that we are about to learn that endorphins are also rhetoric? LOL .
  18. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . You're right! Quite fortunately, people who never studied the subject of "rhetoric" also know that. They call it "guilt tripping". .
  19. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . ANSWER: No, never wondered. Because when i was in Scientology I did not wonder about that, for a simple reason—because I was a Scientologist. Scientologists don't wonder—they know! After exiting Scientology, I also did not wonder why Hubbard said that. Because I left upon discovering...
  20. HelluvaHoax!

    What is Rhetoric?

    . I don't understand your answer. Are you saying that although Aristotle narrowly used the word rhetoric to describe written/oratorial persuasion, he actually meant that ALL methods of persuasion (other than written/verbal) should also be added to the definition of the term rhetoric? Isn't...
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