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  1. Veda

    The Auditor's Code dilemma

    Looked over at old ESMB, and it says you limit those who can see your profile, so it's impossible to get a sense of your posting history. I did say there were lots of reasons why people left. There are also patterns, but it's fine if you disagree. In any event, the link at the bottom of all...
  2. Veda

    The Auditor's Code dilemma

    Thanks. It's an observation. There are no surveys of which I know. But, just for the fun of it, here's a kind of survey: Were you aware of the July 1977 FBI raids on Scientology when, or shorty after, they happened? When, or soon after, what is called the "Mission Holders massacre" occurred...
  3. Veda

    The Auditor's Code dilemma

    "Surveys"? Are you joking? And, if it's not too personal, when did you get in and when did you leave?
  4. Veda

    The Auditor's Code dilemma

    When did you join and when did you leave? If that's too personal, just provide the leave date. People have been leaving Scientology since it began, and before that they were leaving Dianetics. There have been lots of reasons why people have left. The most common reason is disagreement with the...
  5. Veda

    The Auditor's Code dilemma

    All I can tell you is that I've seen and encountered thousands of people who have left Scientology gradually. There were large numbers of people who were very nuance conscious. Most are out completely now. In 1938, Israel Regardie, in his 1938 book The Middle Pillar, posited the joining of...
  6. Veda

    The Auditor's Code dilemma

    Thanks. At times it can be a bit manipulative. It's not a usual practice but it can occur. I'm making suggestions, mostly for use in real life situations, not so much for use on ESMBR, where few people deeply IN Scientology appear. In real life situations, I attempt to plant seeds of doubt...
  7. Veda

    The Auditor's Code dilemma

    When a person is enchanted by Scientology, it's sometimes effective to show that one part of Scientology disagrees with another part of Scientology. That, at least, sometimes, creates an interlude of doubt, which, by itself, even if the person doesn't act on it, will reside in the back of the...
  8. Veda

    The Auditor's Code dilemma

    Actually, this thread was prompted by seeing this post on a thread started by a disciple of this person: I haven't thoroughly read or deciphered the thread, but it appears to have been an attempt by the disciple to interest people in his guru and his teaching. In any event, here's the post:
  9. Veda

    The Auditor's Code dilemma

    There are people who have left Scientology because they feel it has violated the Auditor's Code, most often its first point, "Do not evaluate for the preclear," but other points also. Parts of Scientology, and especially its confidential "upper levels," massively evaluate. This revives the old...
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