Scientology Rituals ~~ Part 2 Life inside the cult

Karen#1

Karen#1

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Today, this morning, another life streaming video with Ron Miscavige on Scientology Rituals. The cult feel an entitlement to know everything you have ever done sexually in every explicit detail called "Time, Place, Form and Event"

You must write it up, you must have confessionals on it and the cult wants to know it all.
There are 3 people in a marriage between Scientologists. You, your spouse and the cult of Scientology which is "Knowledge Reported" on every feature of your sex life, including private pillow talk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfdULCeD2Cw
 
stratty

stratty

Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
Karen#1 said:
Today, this morning, another life streaming video with Ron Miscavige on Scientology Rituals. The cult feel an entitlement to know everything you have ever done sexually in every explicit detail called "Time, Place, Form and Event"

You must write it up, you must have confessionals on it and the cult wants to know it all.
There are 3 people in a marriage between Scientologists. You, your spouse and the cult of Scientology which is "Knowledge Reported" on every feature of your sex life, including private pillow talk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfdULCeD2Cw
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Phew! I'm glad I got out when I did then (1974) or I would have had to tell them about my relationship with Lassie. ;)
 
Glenda

Glenda

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Karen#1 said:
Today, this morning, another life streaming video with Ron Miscavige on Scientology Rituals. The cult feel an entitlement to know everything you have ever done sexually in every explicit detail called "Time, Place, Form and Event"

You must write it up, you must have confessionals on it and the cult wants to know it all.
There are 3 people in a marriage between Scientologists. You, your spouse and the cult of Scientology which is "Knowledge Reported" on every feature of your sex life, including private pillow talk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfdULCeD2Cw
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Thanks Karen. I will have a watch later when I have a bit more time.

I well remember the first time it hit me how there had been three people in my marriage. I also will never forget the day my former husband and I went to the court house and filed the last bit of paperwork to get divorced. That evening we had a meal together. By that stage we'd stopped trying to rip each other apart and had accepted we could no longer stay married. We were carefully friendly towards each other, learning how to not hate each other after all that had transpired.

We were eating our meal on a porch area over-looking fields and beautiful countryside. It was lovely mild night, perfect for dining outside. Out of nowhere he said to me "Glenda we might have made it if scientology hadn't interfered so much". I couldn't talk. My throat closed. I pushed down the tears as the truth hit me like a damn baseball bat over my head. All I could say was "yeah, that's true Dave". And we both went silent as the court clerks were processing the next necessary legal steps to end our long-term marriage.

An hour or so later he left my wee home to go back to the city he lived in. I watched the red-tail lights of his car move down the driveway out to the road. And then I fell apart. What a waste of a good man (he was still a true believer). What a waste of a really good friendship. What a waste of so many decent things.

And yeah I still cry when I think of what he said. Such a smart man. So lost in something so twisted. I couldn't save him. I had to save myself and he could not find his way to come with me to the real world. The cult got him, yapped in his ear incessantly. I wish him peace and all things good. I hope scientology is, one day, dismantled.
 
Karen#1

Karen#1

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Glenda said:
Thanks Karen. I will have a watch later when I have a bit more time.

I well remember the first time it hit me how there had been three people in my marriage. I also will never forget the day my former husband and I went to the court house and filed the last bit of paperwork to get divorced. That evening we had a meal together. By that stage we'd stopped trying to rip each other apart and had accepted we could no longer stay married. We were carefully friendly towards each other, learning how to not hate each other after all that had transpired.

We were eating our meal on a porch area over-looking fields and beautiful countryside. It was lovely mild night, perfect for dining outside. Out of nowhere he said to me "Glenda we might have made it if scientology hadn't interfered so much". I couldn't talk. My throat closed. I pushed down the tears as the truth hit me like a damn baseball bat over my head. All I could say was "yeah, that's true Dave". And we both went silent as the court clerks were processing the next necessary legal steps to end our long-term marriage.

An hour or so later he left my wee home to go back to the city he lived in. I watched the red-tail lights of his car move down the driveway out to the road. And then I fell apart. What a waste of a good man (he was still a true believer). What a waste of a really good friendship. What a waste of so many decent things.

And yeah I still cry when I think of what he said. Such a smart man. So lost in something so twisted. I couldn't save him. I had to save myself and he could not find his way to come with me to the real world. The cult got him, yapped in his ear incessantly. I wish him peace and all things good. I hope scientology is, one day, dismantled.
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What a beautiful post.
The tragedy of a marriage of 3 parties. :rose:

Shamelessly the cult shows private confessional data and confession (O/W) write ups to the one who stays in encouraging a divorce of the one who wants to leave.
 
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Glenda said:
Thanks Karen. I will have a watch later when I have a bit more time.

I well remember the first time it hit me how there had been three people in my marriage. I also will never forget the day my former husband and I went to the court house and filed the last bit of paperwork to get divorced. That evening we had a meal together. By that stage we'd stopped trying to rip each other apart and had accepted we could no longer stay married. We were carefully friendly towards each other, learning how to not hate each other after all that had transpired.

We were eating our meal on a porch area over-looking fields and beautiful countryside. It was lovely mild night, perfect for dining outside. Out of nowhere he said to me "Glenda we might have made it if scientology hadn't interfered so much". I couldn't talk. My throat closed. I pushed down the tears as the truth hit me like a damn baseball bat over my head. All I could say was "yeah, that's true Dave". And we both went silent as the court clerks were processing the next necessary legal steps to end our long-term marriage.

An hour or so later he left my wee home to go back to the city he lived in. I watched the red-tail lights of his car move down the driveway out to the road. And then I fell apart. What a waste of a good man (he was still a true believer). What a waste of a really good friendship. What a waste of so many decent things.

And yeah I still cry when I think of what he said. Such a smart man. So lost in something so twisted. I couldn't save him. I had to save myself and he could not find his way to come with me to the real world. The cult got him, yapped in his ear incessantly. I wish him peace and all things good. I hope scientology is, one day, dismantled.
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Jeez. I feel for you Glenda. I've heard of so many couples ending the same way due to this cult.

I wish you peace and hope that you can one day find closure on this.
 
HelluvaHoax!

HelluvaHoax!

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Karen#1 said:
...There are 3 people in a marriage between Scientologists. You, your spouse and the cult of Scientology which is "Knowledge Reported" on every feature of your sex life, including private pillow talk.
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Haven't seen the video yet, but. . .3 people?

Is this how Dr. Hubbard discovered the "3rd Party Law"?

Or, actually--- invented it.​
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By essentially injecting it.​
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And thereby infecting it (the marriage ) with 3 People---which is how the 2D became a 3D.​

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Enthetan

Enthetan

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In the early days of my marriage, my wife and I had a dispute. She was upset about it, and decided to involve the Org. I was harassed at work by the Chaplain, who demanded that I leave work to go to the Org to have a Chaplain's cycle about the whole upset.

Afterwards, I made it crystal clear to my wife that I was unhappy over her making the org a party to our internal marriage issues. It never happened again.
 
PirateAndBum

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Glenda said:
Thanks Karen. I will have a watch later when I have a bit more time.

I well remember the first time it hit me how there had been three people in my marriage. I also will never forget the day my former husband and I went to the court house and filed the last bit of paperwork to get divorced. That evening we had a meal together. By that stage we'd stopped trying to rip each other apart and had accepted we could no longer stay married. We were carefully friendly towards each other, learning how to not hate each other after all that had transpired.

We were eating our meal on a porch area over-looking fields and beautiful countryside. It was lovely mild night, perfect for dining outside. Out of nowhere he said to me "Glenda we might have made it if scientology hadn't interfered so much". I couldn't talk. My throat closed. I pushed down the tears as the truth hit me like a damn baseball bat over my head. All I could say was "yeah, that's true Dave". And we both went silent as the court clerks were processing the next necessary legal steps to end our long-term marriage.

An hour or so later he left my wee home to go back to the city he lived in. I watched the red-tail lights of his car move down the driveway out to the road. And then I fell apart. What a waste of a good man (he was still a true believer). What a waste of a really good friendship. What a waste of so many decent things.

And yeah I still cry when I think of what he said. Such a smart man. So lost in something so twisted. I couldn't save him. I had to save myself and he could not find his way to come with me to the real world. The cult got him, yapped in his ear incessantly. I wish him peace and all things good. I hope scientology is, one day, dismantled.
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I could say the same for the loss of 2 of my kids to disconnection. :(
 
Glenda

Glenda

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Hi again,
I have now watched the video. Thank you to both Karen and Ron.

My thoughts. I don’t do fast, fun or easy on certain subjects. This is one of those subjects, so this is fairly long:

Privacy and boundaries are virtually non-existent in scientology. I have explored these themes often in my private (yes, yay, some real privacy in my life) journal reflections. Earlier this year I wrote: “Can there ever be true dignity without privacy and silence?” I concluded no.

Karen you mentioned sacred spaces and quiet time to reflect calmly within oneself. There is no need for sacred spaces within scientology because it is all about Hubbard. Clapping to a bronze bust of him, or an overly large photo is about as close as anyone is allowed to get to “sacred spaces”. Pure narcissism.

More from my journal notes: “The scientology methods (an exact systematic approach – steps) insisted that internal development/growth was in accordance with the ideas of Hubbard’s - and ideas he stole and re-branded as his own. That isn’t self-realisation or self-actualisation done with honesty or authenticity or integrity. It is only an alignment with Hubbard’s ideas. Scientology is not about freedom. It is about containment within constructed walls. I call this the mind-control tunnel. The imagery helped me get free of the scientology conditioning. It is a place of restriction and limitation that tricks and deludes and regresses and stunts development and originality. Leaving the mind-control tunnel is heart-breaking and mind-bending. It is lonely and terrifying as reality rises up for recognition. Reality within self and in the world around self.”

“If the greatest journey is the inner exploration of self, then it becomes essential to fully let go of Hubbard’s ideas. The issue seems to be locating those ideas as they seep into “normal human patterns”, altering them to fit the needs and controlling aspects of being a “good scientologist”.

“The altered (thought and emotional) patterns become the new normal, becoming comfortable and automatic. Dangerous stuff. An altered identity, and moral compass, with the individual unaware of what has happened to them. You can’t quietly, honestly, reflect as a scientologist. It is not allowed."

On privacy – the great o/w write-ups and ethics conditions. I loved them when I was locked into the cult think. I would do an o/w write-up on my own volition to “clean up an area in my life”. True believers are a tad fanatical. I didn’t want private thoughts or hidden actions in my life. I didn’t have a clue how altered I was from the scientology training I’d done. Boundaries? Didn’t have a clue what they were. Scientology does not allow personal boundaries. You cannot control people who know where they start and finish and where others start and finish. Scientology is expert at ripping away boundaries and leaving individuals stranded in a messy quandary of ruined dignity and reduced/minimised self-respect. Lacking genuine self-respect one cannot gently implement boundaries with others – hence others can be disrespectful without limits. This happens all the time within scientology. It is built into the methods, the training, the relentless probing into the private affairs – and thoughts – of people.

Boundaries are replaced with a hierarchical madness. Strange costuming is used to help enforce this part of the system. The uniforms with braid and a weird military theme, now bring me to tears of laughter because I always get images of that band Village People. So long as I am allowed to express myself freely, my way, I will add in here that I have always had a tiny thing for a man in uniform. I don’t know why. It doesn’t really matter why but I have. An airline captain in a uniform striding towards a jet plane and well, I look. But not those sea org blokes. Too fucking weird. They’d strut around with a fake presence but get them in an unguarded moment and well, they were just plain fucking weird. And the sea org women in their Village People-like costumes – really strange. These folk would come down to my part of the world and sometimes I’d go do some activities with them (regging and shit like that). I could never bring myself to call a woman “sir”. It went up against my gender-ised upbringing.

So I have thought about all of this these past few years (and written copious notes about it, privately) and made my own conclusions. The calling everyone “sir” thing drips in patriarchal roots. Now don’t go thinking this is some sort of feminist-based opinion where I belch and whinge about men holding all the power. I am a kiwi, us girls got the vote back in 1893. First cab off the rank. My great-grandmother voted in September 1893. Go Julia! I have never felt disadvantaged because I am a woman. But scientology exploited something outside these commonly discussed issues. Hubbard neutralised women into equals in rank because it served his agenda. When you are trying to conquer the world – the old empire-ing gig with a twisted spiritual agenda – you need as many hands as you can get to further your plans.

Who gives a shit if it is a woman or a man that does your dirty work for you when you convinced of your own brilliance and are going for a whacko world domination. Money is money right? Money is genderless. Use anyone you can. Narcissistic supply, control and compliance for a truly screwed up grandiose "dominate the world" plan requires big numbers. Men, women, boys and girls, all welcome. There is this exploitative androgynous underbelly in scientology, with women being called “sir” and saluting all over the show. Madam (or ma’am) is the real world feminine equivalent. Sir is masculine.

One last thing before I shuffle off to do my version of world domination (a.k.a. tidy my kitchen up), Ron says in the video that knowledge reports are never written on the good things people have done, or to encourage. He says he never saw anything like that. As I understand it, and saw in practice, knowledge reports are to report non-ethical behaviour (pfft) on others. What I saw was commendations to share the good stuff. Commendations end up in ethics folders (if anyone can get their shit together to actually do any filing). I had quite a few commendations in my ethics file. How damn embarrassing. Many of them were written by Jan Eastgate – who incidentally was a very tough boss (she was CO CCHR ANZO or whatever the hell her title was).

KRs weren’t about sharing the love (cough). That was the job of commendations. Within the confines of the androgynous hierarchical madness, the bubble world where boundaries were expertly eroded and privacy violations were normalised behaviour, a commendation from the boss helped fuel the ego and to run like hell to do it all again the next week, only better. And more, always more.
 
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