What is Rhetoric?

Riddick

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:) hi.

the context is that this earth is the magic trick, thus all its type of talk ...
is misdirection.
it depends on what a person wishes to use rhetoric in speaking, writing, using videos, using marketing, using PR, etc.
Bad rhetoric is using ones ethos, pathos and logos to deceive, using marketing, PR, etc.
Good rhetoric is to inform and not deceive, or use magic tricks.

Yes, hubbard used magic tricks thru his talk. To this day, nobody went clear or OT.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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it depends on what a person wishes to use rhetoric in speaking, writing, using videos, using marketing, using PR, etc.
Bad rhetoric is using ones ethos, pathos and logos to deceive, using marketing, PR, etc.
Good rhetoric is to inform and not deceive, or use magic tricks. Yes, hubbard used magic tricks thru his talk. To this day, nobody went clear or OT.

Unfortunately, even though you are the website's self-proclaimed master of "rhetoric", you still have no idea what the word "rhetoric" means or what is the core concept of that word.

Rhetoric is neither "good" nor "bad".

Rhetoric is the art of persuasion.

You can persuade someone to do something that is good for them or harmful to them. That is not the rhetoric that is good or bad, that is the thing being sold that's good or bad.

You really do not understand what rhetoric is. That is pretty obviously why you cannot persuade people on this small message board that your posts are valuable or at least entertaining.

If you understand rhetoric, why are you unable to persuade anyone?

Did you ever wonder if the reason your posts are so broadly rejected, reviled and ridiculed is because you are simply repeating yourself for the past years and trying to jam the virtually identical posts down everyone's throats when they have already made it clear that they hate reading your repetitive projectile vomiting of the same posts every day for years.

See if you can answer any of those questions, master of rhetoric.

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lotus

Gone away from madness!
Is this thread about



Hope it can be of help on your journey
😀
 

HelluvaHoax!

Well-known member
Is this thread about



Hope it can be of help on your journey
😀

LOL. That is very funny!


I will use it to help me on my "journey", which intends to discover the mystery embedded within the unknowable paradox of how it's possible that the internet's leading expert on rhetoric is unable to persuade anyone of anything.

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Riddick

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Unfortunately, even though you are the website's self-proclaimed master of "rhetoric", you still have no idea what the word "rhetoric" means or what is the core concept of that word.

Rhetoric is neither "good" nor "bad".

Rhetoric is the art of persuasion.

You can persuade someone to do something that is good for them or harmful to them. That is not the rhetoric that is good or bad, that is the thing being sold that's good or bad.

You really do not understand what rhetoric is. That is pretty obviously why you cannot persuade people on this small message board that your posts are valuable or at least entertaining.

If you understand rhetoric, why are you unable to persuade anyone?

Did you ever wonder if the reason your posts are so broadly rejected, reviled and ridiculed is because you are simply repeating yourself for the past years and trying to jam the virtually identical posts down everyone's throats when they have already made it clear that they hate reading your repetitive projectile vomiting of the same posts every day for years.

See if you can answer any of those questions, master of rhetoric.

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I never claimed to be "the website's self-proclaimed master of "rhetoric", you still have no idea what the word "rhetoric" means or what is the core concept of that word."

You somehow think I am claiming to be a so called master of rhetoric. I am not. I never claimed to be a master of rhetoric, you make it sound like I am, but I am not.

You are actually a more master of rhetoric.
 
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HelluvaHoax!

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I never claimed to be "the website's self-proclaimed master of "rhetoric", you still have no idea what the word "rhetoric" means or what is the core concept of that word." You somehow think I am claiming to be a so called master of rhetoric. I am not. I never claimed to be a master of rhetoric, you make it sound like I am, but I am not. You are actually a more master of rhetoric.

The idiocy of your trolling is that you have been pretending to teach everyone on this board about rhetoric with a never ending avalanche of virtually identical posts. The pathetic paradox is that you quite obviously know seriously and substantially less about the subject of rhetoric than your force-fed students, professor.

If you understood rhetoric and could demonstrate your rhetorical skills—you'd be able to be persuasive, because that's what rhetoric is. Instead, you are only capable of demonstrating the opposite.

PRO TIP: Here's a partial but helpful listing of the word persuasion's antonyms:

NOUNS:




hate

















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ADJECTIVES: Opposite of able to persuade or convince​


weak






























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HelluvaHoax!

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RIDDLE DU JOUR:
What looks like a duck. . .
Walks like a duck. . .
And quacks like a duck?

ANSWER: A Scientology troll. They "quack" because Scientology is itself pure quackery.

A quack promotes amazing miraculous things that they can never deliver.

example: Scientologists, being quacks, can talk to you endlessly for years about miraculous supernatural powers like exteriorization. They can demo it with their demo kit. They can pass a clay demo on exteriorization. They can give introductory lectures about exteriorization. They can recruit new people into Scientology with dazzling tales of exteriorization. They can stand up at videotaped graduations and give thrilling testimonials about exteriorization. They can write glowing success stories about exteriorization. They can deliver workshops and seminars to Scientologists about exteriorization. They can do all these things and more. They can even quote all the words ever spoken or written by LRH about exteriorization. The can explain or do anything in the world related to exteriorization---anything except demonstrate how they can go exterior.

In my opinion, this is the exact category that Riddick and his years-long lectures about rhetoric fall into quite perfectly. He's a notorious quack. He knows everything about rhetoric and very badly needs to make you listen to him repetitively explain it.

Rhetoric, the art of persuasion—he's a master of it. He can explain or do anything in the world related to rhetoric, except be persuasive.


I approve of this message!

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Riddick

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The idiocy of your trolling is that you have been pretending to teach everyone on this board about rhetoric with a never ending avalanche of virtually identical posts. The pathetic paradox is that you quite obviously know seriously and substantially less about the subject of rhetoric than your force-fed students, professor.

If you understood rhetoric and could demonstrate your rhetorical skills—you'd be able to be persuasive, because that's what rhetoric is. Instead, you are only capable of demonstrating the opposite.

PRO TIP: Here's a partial but helpful listing of the word persuasion's antonyms:

NOUNS:




hate

















▲​

ADJECTIVES: Opposite of able to persuade or convince​


weak






























vain





















idle



poor














more ❯​
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First of all I'm not a good writer, I've said it many times. Second, I am not trolling, I was a scientologists, very gung ho too. Thirdly, I'm just trying to point out Hubbard's rhetoric. I was hoping some of you astute writers could pick up the ball and show Hubbard's rhetoric. I was wrong.

I think you are a asshole. One of those scientology regs that could twist things around. A fast talker car salesman. You give me the I've been slimed with your double talk.

I will ban myself.
 
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HelluvaHoax!

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I will ban myself.
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Speaking for myself, your proposed kamikaze amends project is graciously accepted.

Naturally, if you ever decided to stop trolling the board with endlessly repetitive threads/posts about rhetoric, I am sure you would be welcomed here just like all the other contributive members.

I knew you were on a death spiral after your 2nd ban when you waited 1-2 months for the ban to expire---and then came charging back onto this website by immediately and defiantly starting yet another new "rhetoric" thread. Thus, I think that you obviously must have wanted to commit harikari long before your "I will ban myself" notification.

Good luck.

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Type4_PTS

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First of all I'm not a good writer, I've said it many times.
That's pretty much irrelevant as to why you're having difficulty here on this discussion forum. There have been writers much worse than you who had no problems.



Second, I am not trolling, I was a scientologists, very gung ho too.
Regardless of whether your intent is to troll the board or not you come across that way. So the effect is pretty much the same.



Thirdly, I'm just trying to point out Hubbard's rhetoric. I was hoping some of you astute writers could pick up the ball and show Hubbard's rhetoric. I was wrong.
You've already pointed it out and have been pointing it out for years, starting multiple threads on the same subject and also pointing it out on other threads that have nothing to do with rhetoric.

You also display a persistent unwillingness to discuss the subject with anyone unless they completely agree with you. I've attempted to engage you in a civil discussion on multiple occasions but you then just ignore my posts if I challenge anything that you write.



I will ban myself.
Good luck! If you should ever decide to un-ban yourself you may wish to have a conversation with the board admin on how to avoid getting banned again.
 

Riddick

I clap to no man
That's pretty much irrelevant as to why you're having difficulty here on this discussion forum. There have been writers much worse than you who had no problems.





Regardless of whether your intent is to troll the board or not you come across that way. So the effect is pretty much the same.





You've already pointed it out and have been pointing it out for years, starting multiple threads on the same subject and also pointing it out on other threads that have nothing to do with rhetoric.

You also display a persistent unwillingness to discuss the subject with anyone unless they completely agree with you. I've attempted to engage you in a civil discussion on multiple occasions but you then just ignore my posts if I challenge anything that you write.





Good luck! If you should ever decide to un-ban yourself you may wish to have a conversation with the board admin on how to avoid getting banned again.
"Good luck! If you should ever decide to un-ban yourself you may wish to have a conversation with the board admin on how to avoid getting banned again."

Actually, I reported HH for trolling my threads. The admin, P&B, decided to ban me for a month till LRH birthday. Go figure.

P&B will probably say something else. It's actually true, HH trolls everything I say.
 

Riddick

I clap to no man
That's pretty much irrelevant as to why you're having difficulty here on this discussion forum. There have been writers much worse than you who had no problems.





Regardless of whether your intent is to troll the board or not you come across that way. So the effect is pretty much the same.





You've already pointed it out and have been pointing it out for years, starting multiple threads on the same subject and also pointing it out on other threads that have nothing to do with rhetoric.

You also display a persistent unwillingness to discuss the subject with anyone unless they completely agree with you. I've attempted to engage you in a civil discussion on multiple occasions but you then just ignore my posts if I challenge anything that you write.





Good luck! If you should ever decide to un-ban yourself you may wish to have a conversation with the board admin on how to avoid getting banned again.
"That's pretty much irrelevant as to why you're having difficulty here on this discussion forum. There have been writers much worse than you who had no problems. "

Why do think I having difficulty? I don't seek approval.
 

Riddick

I clap to no man
That's pretty much irrelevant as to why you're having difficulty here on this discussion forum. There have been writers much worse than you who had no problems.





Regardless of whether your intent is to troll the board or not you come across that way. So the effect is pretty much the same.





You've already pointed it out and have been pointing it out for years, starting multiple threads on the same subject and also pointing it out on other threads that have nothing to do with rhetoric.

You also display a persistent unwillingness to discuss the subject with anyone unless they completely agree with you. I've attempted to engage you in a civil discussion on multiple occasions but you then just ignore my posts if I challenge anything that you write.





Good luck! If you should ever decide to un-ban yourself you may wish to have a conversation with the board admin on how to avoid getting banned again.
"Regardless of whether your intent is to troll the board or not you come across that way. So the effect is pretty much the same. "

This my thread on rhetoric. You just gave a sweeping persuasion, nice rhetoric on your part. This thread is about rhetoric and how Hubbard used it, not me. Do you understand?
 

Riddick

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ok, does anybody wish to discuss Hubbard's use of rhetoric?

If not, then I will stop posting.
 

marra

Well-known member
ok, does anybody wish to discuss Hubbard's use of rhetoric?

If not, then I will stop posting.
You've been asking the same question for years. If you really don't understand that no one wants to discuss rhetoric with you then there must be something wrong with you.

"If not, then I will stop posting" - you keep saying this but you don't stop posting, you just keep on saying the same things you've said over and over again. Have a look at other people's posts and you will find that they post about different subjects or they have different things to say about one particular subject. They don't continue to post the same thing over and over for year after year. Only you do that and that is why it is only you who is banned occasionally.
 

HelluvaHoax!

Well-known member
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You've been asking the same question for years. If you really don't understand that no one wants to discuss rhetoric with you then there must be something wrong with you.
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I think he may have been implanted with some kind of wholetrack TR-3 mechanism—where no matter what anyone thinks, says or posts, the afflicted person treats it as a worthless distractive "comment" (i.e. ignores it) and the rhetoric 'command' is then mindlessly repeated ad infinitum.



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