If by "waking up" you mean detaching yourself from your vegetative soul and from physical matter without losing one's personality/consciousness/self, then I'd say no.Is it possible to wake up in the dream?
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. IMO, Hubbard was right about this.Hubbard's claim that we are just spiritual beings is false. Our personality/consciousness/self is actually that part that dies with the body. So whatever is left is not really "you" anymore.
Yeah, I guess some people like Hubbard have the sort of clock that's always says it is "25:00 PM"Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. IMO, Hubbard was right about this.
It's just my opinion based upon my own experiences and others I know. It's not something I've got an interest in debating.
Yeah, I guess some people like Hubbard have the sort of clock that's always says it is "25:00 PM"
I know. That's why I said other people have the same sort of broken clockBelieve it or not, Hubbard didn't come up with the concept that we were "spiritual beings". LOL
Why waste time on all that new fangled woo when you can go to the source of all European woo?Ahh, we have a follower of Plotinus on the message board.
We'll just agree to disagree, for now anyway.I know. That's why I said other people have the same sort of broken clock
Yeah talking about woo... the beauty is that nobody can ever convince someone else that his/her woo is better.We'll just agree to disagree, for now anyway.
I don't have the time or desire to elaborate on my beliefs.
I'll just leave you with this, from a letter written by Einstein back on Feb 12th, 1950, whose clock was working quite well:
A human being is part of the whole world, called by us “Universe,” a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest — a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. The striving to free oneself from this delusion is the one issue of true religion. Not to nourish the delusion but to try to overcome it is the way to reach the attainable measure of peace of mind.
I am concerned about the dominance of the letters 'P' and 'S' in philosophers names. Discuss....Why waste time on all that new fangled woo when you can go to the source of all European woo?
Immanuel Kant. René Descartes. Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche. Aristotle. Democritus. Heraclitus. Thomas of Aquino...I am concerned about the dominance of the letters 'P' and 'S' in philosophers names. Discuss....
ya... nah. I'm not concerned with Kant ... but don't you think all the others suspiciously have the letter 's'? ( note the letter 's' and 'p' in philosophy )Immanuel Kant. René Descartes. Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche. Aristotle. Democritus. Heraclitus. Thomas of Aquino...
Nah, its just you.
Watching someone with dementia lose their memories and preferences but still retain awareness of self and others spiritually and still retain the love and connectivity can turn a lot of atheists into believers and in elderly care, usually does.If by "waking up" you mean detaching yourself from your vegetative soul and from physical matter without losing one's personality/consciousness/self, then I'd say no.
Hubbard's claim that we are just spiritual beings is false. Our personality/consciousness/self is actually that part that dies with the body. So whatever is left is not really "you" anymore.
NOTE on language:
... I realize communicating about these issues is quite hard now that we aren't all just speaking Hubbardese anymore.
But that's how communication goes in the big world. A Buddhist will "speak Buddhist" to an Evangelical protestant, who will reply in "fluent protestant". Neither understands the other, even though they *think* both speak the same English.
Take my own wording from this very post: "Physical matter" and "vegetative soul". I doubt christians would understand these terms the same way as I do (unless maybe if they studied St.Augustine and Plato).
I'm not going to take up the offer. Not because I'm not curious, but because I'm not qualified for those sort of jobs.Few atheists last long in elderly care because of this. They either quit fast or find their faith. Atheism only really works as a theory from a distance, IMO. YMMV, but I recommend everyone with theories about religion and life spend six months working in hospice care to see for themselves.
Vernon Howard used to talk about this a lot (that we were "asleep" and must "wake up") but I've never heard of its equivalent in Scientology.A very old idea.
Is it possible to wake up in the dream?
Having long departed $cientology,
Robin Williamson is again singing the sacred songs
he wrote before Scientology.
Immanuel Kant. René Descartes. Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche. Aristotle. Democritus. Heraclitus. Thomas of Aquino...
Nah, its just you.