HEALER or HOAX- - - Are medical miracles like this possible?

HelluvaHoax!

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It would be more than amazing if things like this really could happen.
Something does seem to be happening.
Something profoundly fascinating.
What do you think?


 

Churchill

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Something is happening here, but what?
I‘d like to see a rigorously disciplined scientific medical study done to gather more data on what happens when Charlie “closes his eyes and focuses his energy” and so I’m left wondering why one hasn’t yet been conducted.
i didn’t much like that all of the people were grouped together, rather than individually.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Something is happening here, but what?
I‘d like to see a rigorously disciplined scientific medical study done to gather more data on what happens when Charlie “closes his eyes and focuses his energy” and so I’m left wondering why one hasn’t yet been conducted.
i didn’t much like that all of the people were grouped together, rather than individually.

Yes! I kept thinking the same thing, but devising the testing protocols would have to be either profoundly clever (or ingeniously simple) in order to identify what the actual "effect" is that is happening. That would have to include the placebo effect, but in a real sense a placebo that vanquishes debilitating levels of pain is not a placebo in fact, it's a cure.

Even if the cure is temporary relief. To wit, since the "effect" is the perception of pain, anything that alters that perception is in fact a scientific address and methodology---even if organic, structural and/or physiological changes are not occurring.

Considered in another way, if a suicidal patient walks out of a "therapy session" of any kind NOT FEELING SUICIDAL, it doesn't really matter what neurological alterations might or might not have happened. The fact would be that they are no longer feeling suicidal, so that's a medical outcome even if not scientifically mapped.

I wonder if the entire subject of addressing pain and traditional methodologies (pain killers, surgery, et al) could be an entirely wrong predicate---if pain is resolvable thru non-organic means.

I find it so fascinating. I once studied (for years) a cure for psychosomatic illness, but that one didn't work out so well (LOL, guess which one). But I am not deterred in the slightest if there are other unexpected portals thru which results can be obtained!

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Churchill

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I‘m told by my resident medical expert that “TENS devices” have been used for decades by hospitals for pain management treatment.
www.tensunits.com

Your last point is particularly well taken and brings to mind Mark Twain’s story about the cat, that once having sat on a hot stove NEVER sat on amother hot stove again. Twain quickly added, “Of course he never sat on a cold stove either.”

So, to dismiss these phenomena out of hand is not good science either, but at the same time healthy scepticism seems, to me at least, a rational recognition that the (mine)field of paranormal phenomena should be tred cautiously.
I trust the guardrails of science, while realizing that they aren’t set in stone.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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The show on TLC was titled "The Healer".


The full episodes are available on their site: The Healer | Watch Full Episodes & More! - TLC
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Whoa! I didn't know there was a series! Thanks.

I'll check that one out. The one thing that worries me about this guy healing people, however, is the money part. Since he doesn't charge money wouldn't it logically follow that even though they are cured of unimaginable pain, doesn't that make the healed beings into criminals and squirrels who would not be allowed to do Scientology's advanced levels?

To wit, no pain---no case gain.

Seriously, wouldn't it be an amazing discovery in the future of medical R&D that pain was a fully controllable phenomena without physical address (surgery, medication, et al)? Maybe by the year 2070 people will look back at the previous three thousand years and consider it the Medical Dark Ages, where so little was known about physiology that people used toxic and highly addictive painkillers instead of curing the source generating the pain.

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HelluvaHoax!

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The video mentioned that he got good results in 2 of 4 cases.

IMO, physical symptoms that are psychosomatic in origin could be reduced using mental techniques.
Even a Scientology "touch assist" might work in some cases.

What I now want to know is how that lady is feeling, say, 2 years after that magical treatment.

Excellent question.

There are many other questions as well, such as in the scenario you describe where the pain-free effect only lasts 23 months---is there any way the patient can get their next treatment?

Another question: If the demand is too overwhelming on that single practitioner, is there any way he can TRAIN OTHERS to deliver the technique?

And if others were trained how to do the pain mitigation technique, would they have to wear naval costumes and carry clipboards? lol

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I watched part of the video.
I agree with Programmer Guy.
 

PirateAndBum

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He is now doing remote group healing (still for no charge.) I have no idea how effective that may be.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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He is now doing remote group healing (still for no charge.) I have no idea how effective that may be.

Wouldn't it be fascinating if a scientific study that researched the "pain free effect" he elicits in some that he works on to be a very special (heretofore unknown) derivative of placebo?

In other words, what if the discovery found that a full-blown placebo effect could be triggered by a certain compelling and very specific recipe of bedside manner, woo and certainty? What if that was, in fact, a methodology that cured pain---or minimally, allowed the pain-sufferer to calmly detach from the pain and feel normal?

Naturally, I have no idea what he is doing or what is happening with those pain-sufferers he is helping---but what if science later discovered the above "placebo" cure and it developed into an entire branch of medicine dedicated to tricking the patient into thinking that there was a cure? What if science determines that "blind faith" is more effective than all of the pharmaceutical and surgical methodologies combined?

It's an odd thought, but I would imagine in the next 1000 years there will be some profoundly STARTLING new revelations in the world of medicine and science. What if the charlatan's worthless bromide "think positive" ends up being the most advanced scientific principle ever discovered in medical history? LOL.

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Teanntás

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IMO, physical symptoms that are psychosomatic in origin could be reduced using mental techniques.
Even a Scientology "touch assist" might work in some cases.

What I now want to know is how that lady is feeling, say, 2 years after that magical treatment.
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In late 2018, The New York Times Magazine reported on a group of scientists whose research suggests that responsiveness to placebos, rather than a mere trick of the mind, can be traced to a complex series of measurable physiological reactions in the body; certain genetic makeups in patients even correlate with greater placebo response. Ted Kaptchuk, a Harvard Medical School professor and one of the lead researchers, theorizes that the placebo effect is, in the words of the Times article, “a biological response to an act of caring; that somehow the encounter itself calls forth healing and that the more intense and focused it is, the more healing it evokes.”

Reiki Can’t Possibly Work. So Why Does It?
 

guanoloco

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The video mentioned that he got good results in 2 of 4 cases.

IMO, physical symptoms that are psychosomatic in origin could be reduced using mental techniques.
Even a Scientology "touch assist" might work in some cases.

What I now want to know is how that lady is feeling, say, 2 years after that magical treatment.

In the 70s a medical worker told me that science knew and understood that 70% of ailments were psychosomatic in nature.

White blood cell counts, body temperatures - all the hallmarks of an activated immune system and no pathogen was there.
 

Operating DB

3 feet behind my butt
IMO, physical symptoms that are psychosomatic in origin could be reduced using mental techniques.
Even a Scientology "touch assist" might work in some cases.

What I now want to know is how that lady is feeling, say, 2 years after that magical treatment.
In late 2018, The New York Times Magazine reported on a group of scientists whose research suggests that responsiveness to placebos, rather than a mere trick of the mind, can be traced to a complex series of measurable physiological reactions in the body; certain genetic makeups in patients even correlate with greater placebo response. Ted Kaptchuk, a Harvard Medical School professor and one of the lead researchers, theorizes that the placebo effect is, in the words of the Times article, “a biological response to an act of caring; that somehow the encounter itself calls forth healing and that the more intense and focused it is, the more healing it evokes.”

Reiki Can’t Possibly Work. So Why Does It?
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I would also like to know that 2 years later after someone had a magical treatment. Usually when someone keys out on a scientology or Landmark Forum, EST procedure, or laying on of the hands thing they're back to their old crabby self 3 days later.

One time I bartered photography services with someone who did a reflexology session on me and a Reiki one. I liked the reflexology simply because it felt good to have my feet massaged and worked on. The Reiki one did zero for me. It was too woo for me. I think it's nothing.
 
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