.Note: these are my last words for these individuals. I do not wish to interact with trolls. Yes, you are trolls. I doubt any of these listed are capable of independent thought or meaningful debate. I did not leave Scientology to join an equally tribalistic group of sheeple, who: routinely practice ad hominem attacks; are comfortable with evidence-free narratives; attack anything that does not fit the narrative; are utterly devoted to personality, instead of truth; and are seemingly incapable of objectively viewing and evaluating data. Tribalism brings about stupidity. It shuts-down thinking. I have been a member of this board and old ESMB for many years, but I'm not member of the tribe. People have asked me why I don't post much, or why do I post when I do. First, many times I do not have anything to say, or anything that would add value to the discussion, and more and more I just don't find it interesting. I find the discussions dull and repetitive. Too much tribalism, too much stupidity, unwilling/unable to consider opposing views, many have not altered their viewpoint on matters for years, this is not growth, this is the death of an online community.
Your point?I also have known many people who made it up to OT8 and done the L's. Well, I can tell you they no have super powers, nor great abilities, nor anything. In fact, most humans that did anything great in the world happened were not involved with dianetics or scientology, this is a stat thing from observation.
Certainly does. Having said that, the term "tribalism" has been hijacked by the likes of Marty Rathbun and A.Stanfield to the point where it starts to result in a gag reflex each time I hear it.Tribalism brings about stupidity.
Marty and Alanzo have not hijacked the English language word "tribalism", a word known and used by millions, if not billions of people. People have done their PhDs on the subject. So, when Marty or Alanzo use the term they're "hijacking" the word? As far as I know, they have not redefined the term, so where's the "hijacking"?Certainly does. Having said that, the term "tribalism" has been hijacked by the likes of Marty Rathbun and A.Stanfield to the point where it starts to result in a gag reflex each time I hear it.
I now much prefer the term "groupthink", "in-group vs out-group bias" or "black-and-white thinking".
Marty and Alanzo have not hijacked the English language word "tribalism", a word known and used by millions, if not billions of people. People have done their PhDs on the subject. So, when Marty or Alanzo use the term they're "hijacking" the word? As far as I know, they have not redefined the term, so where's the "hijacking"?
The term "groupthink" has a specific meaning to a former Scientologists, and is not the same as "tribalism". Tribalism is studied by sociologists and anthropologists. It really is a bona fide subject and helps explain the behaviours and attitudes on this board.
(I suspect the gag reflex is an MU. )
Not sure what this means. Are you saying I am using concepts of tribalism to explain observable behaviour? Guilty. What do you use?Emphasis mine.
No ... it helps you to explain your feelings, thoughts and opinions concerning the behaviours and attitudes on this board.
How is mimicking Alanzo, thinking?Note: these are my last words for these individuals. I do not wish to interact with trolls. Yes, you are trolls. The following is intended for others on this board. I doubt any of these listed are capable of independent thought or meaningful debate.
I did not leave Scientology to join an equally tribalistic group of sheeple, who: routinely practice ad hominem attacks; are comfortable with evidence-free narratives; attack anything that does not fit the narrative; are utterly devoted to personality, instead of truth; and are seemingly incapable of objectively viewing and evaluating data.
Tribalism brings about stupidity.
It shuts-down thinking.
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Seems to me that this is a strawman argument. Critics and ex-scns are not anti scientologists. Anti-abuse, anti-fraud, anti-disconnection, etc. But certainly are not anti scientology parishioners. Turning a critical eye to scn beliefs is a valid undertaking as well. Those who hope for the elimination of the Co$ want the destructive aspects gone. I doubt that very many are bent on the elimination and prohibition of people believing in the spiritual aspects of the scn "faith"."Being an anti-Scientologist is like being an anti-Semite. It is being anti, as in you know a better way and you're so certain about it that you're gonna get rid of somebody's religion."
@HelluvaHoax! - man, you need to get out. Seriously, I don't think there's an OSA agent around every corner, or inside every cupboard. It must be exhausting.
@TheSneakster - I find your retorts to be neither humorous, clever or informative = waste of time.
@Type4_PTS - this one puzzles me. Somehow you have managed to weaponize stupidity. Kudos.
....Now funny thing is, nothing statpush, Riddick, or Alanzo for that matter, can say or
do to prevent you from buying and reading the book. They can call out "tribes" or
"rhetoric" or anything else and simply nothing can stop you. They are merely old
men yelling at clouds. I find a bit of ironic humor in all of this. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That is my impression of him as well.Alanzo's role became similar to that of the old "Bernie" which was a "perimeter defense" activity run or overseen by OSA. "Bernie" specialized in nullifying critics while presenting himself as a "critic" of Scientology. He would also seek to form alliances with ex-Scientologists, could be a seemingly compassionate listener, and a voice of calm and reason. If one ex Scientologist had a gripe with another ex Scientologist, providing that the other ex Scientologist was important enough to qualify as a significant "enemy" of Scientology Inc., he'd seek to develop it, and exacerbate it - while "helping" - or at least collect content that he could use on his site.
I'm anti-scientology in the sense that if anyone asks me "does auditing really raise your IQ/fix your eyesight/help you find car keys?" my answer will be a resounding "no way".Seems to me that this is a strawman argument. Critics and ex-scns are not anti scientologists. Anti-abuse, anti-fraud, anti-disconnection, etc. But certainly are not anti scientology parishioners.
I have messaged Mike (for Info only) to read STATPUSH'S posts on this thread
BECAUSE
Statpush posts this today on Rinder's blog
Statpush says
September 7, 2022 at 1:32 pm
Congrats Mike
I encourage everyone To buy extra copies and place them in every Library on the planet
Leah’s book helped me wake up to the truth
The Library’s are a valuable resource for lurkers under the radar to finally get the truth about Scientology
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Mike Rinder says
September 7, 2022 at 2:16 pm
A library campaign!
How ironic.
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Arrives on the the Kindle just past midnight, early on the 27th.If you pre-ordered, early morning on 27th Sept the book delivered to your door.