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Karakorum

Ron is the source that will lead you to grief
The thing is, the original Ron Hubbard advice from c.1980 very specifically talked about "cheap coal tar based fragrance". The artificial fragrance added to cosmetics and cleaning products contained (and still contains) large quantities of aromatic (Benzene derived organic molecules which have strong odors) compounds which have been found to be nearly uniformly carcinogenic.

Hubbard himself never banned plant-based natural essential oil scents. These are generally not lung irritants and are certainly not carcinogenic.

The following linked peer-reviewed paper published by the National Institute for Health in January of this year (2021) titled Essential Oils as Natural Sources of Fragrance Compounds for Cosmetics and Cosmeceuticals strongly mirrors Hubbard's actual assertions in that "advice". (link)

The Sea Ogre "perfume" insanity is a classic example of Verbal Tech and failed Word Clearing. I'm guessing this bullshit ban on all perfume originated with David "Darth Midget" Miscavige and demonstrates his typical malicious misapplication of Hubbard writings.
In my day, it was pretty much everything that had any smell. Women got in trouble for f-ing vanilla soap. I know a person who got in trouble for chewing juicy fruit gum, because it made someone think they used scented products.

We had a serious discussion if an antiperspirant that is not scented is ok or not. Finally there was a decision that it is ok. But around summer 2004 it was stll unclear, so people went around stinky and sweaty. Then some people got in trouble over that because of "downtone hygiene" or some such nonsense.

"Damned if you do, damned if you don't". Typical cult doublebind.
 

Isaac

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Does anyone know where Captain Jon Lundeen from ASHO is these days?
Is he still in the hole or is he dead?
 

Karakorum

Ron is the source that will lead you to grief
Does anyone know where Captain Jon Lundeen from ASHO is these days?
Is he still in the hole or is he dead?
He was still pretty active a few years ago AFAIR. Tammy is still in. His RPF days were in the early 1990s at EUS iirc. Was Jon ever in the hole? Tammy was there, but not Jon as far as I know.

I didn't like him, I didn't like his wife either. Very uncooperative and emotionally unstable people. Tammy was OK in my book, at least for CMO.
 
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PirateAndBum

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Yeah, if anything is a scented anything it would get thrown out by security. I don't recall toothpaste being a problem though, or gum. Those were the only scented things that weren't a problem. Everything else, soap, shampoo, whatever had to be 100% unscented.
They never did get down on the real problem: the sent of unwashed armpit
 

Warrior

Active member
One of the AOLA poignant stories was the tale of Cece Smith

Cece's story.
Cece served at the Advanced Org Los Angeles AOLA mostly in Treasury for 20 years. She did everything in her power to serve her group at the time. Handling irate delinquent merchants who were fed up not being paid, she expertly managed it all even when numerous vendors were not paid for 90 days.

I had Cece over to my home for Thanksgiving dinner a few years ago with a bunch of others who made it through the hell and survived. Even
now, 25 years later Cece's tears rolled down her cheeks at dinner at how she was brutally kicked off and out enforcing family disconnection impoverished, destitute and without a cent to her name.

A Jenny Linsen PRODUCT.!

This is the Cult. So what else is new ? Here's Cece and Paul
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This is Jack Kruchko with Cece.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
In 1989 he got the new Miscavige invented "provisional SP declare" which is supposed to intimidate you into being *good* so that it does not become an ACTUAL SP declare. LOLOLOL.
This effectively had been around under LRH for a long time, called a "Non Enturbulation Order". To get a non-enturb order issued, you had to send the paperwork uplines to IJC. It was effectively an SP declare with the gun loaded and cocked, but the trigger not actually pulled yet.
 

marra

Well-known member
This effectively had been around under LRH for a long time, called a "Non Enturbulation Order". To get a non-enturb order issued, you had to send the paperwork uplines to IJC. It was effectively an SP declare with the gun loaded and cocked, but the trigger not actually pulled yet.
Yes, I got a Non Enturbulation Order. Then I took them to court to get back money I had on account. I guess that enturbulated them because I got an SP Declare.

However, I did get my money back.:thumbsup:
 

Karakorum

Ron is the source that will lead you to grief
Then I took them to court to get back money I had on account. I guess that enturbulated them because I got an SP Declare.
I guess that wraps it up for scientologists "being able to communicate with anyone on any topic" :hysterical:
 

TheSneakster

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This effectively had been around under LRH for a long time, called a "Non Enturbulation Order". To get a non-enturb order issued, you had to send the paperwork uplines to IJC. It was effectively an SP declare with the gun loaded and cocked, but the trigger not actually pulled yet.
Well, in my opinion, the resemblance is only superficial. Because DM's "Provisional SP Declares" (as reported by several former International Management staff who received them) have an entirely different - (and utterly squirrel) - purpose and usage.

"Non-Enturbulation Orders" came from HCO PL 1 July 1965 Tech and Qual - Ethics Chits the relevant passage follows. This HCO PL was part of my hat as the SHSBC Course Administrator for ASHO Foundation.

Ron Hubbard said:
Ethics will find then that only two or three people in those areas are causing all the up- set.
This fact routinely stuns Tech and Qual personnel when it is called to their attention – that only
two or three are making their lives miserable.

Ethics, seeing tech statistics drop, must investigate all this and WHEN ETHICS FINDS the
Qual and Tech personnel have not been handing in Ethics chits, the Ethics Officer must report them
to the HCO Exec Sec for disciplinary action.

NON ENTURBULATION ORDER

What to do with the 2 or 3 students or pcs causing trouble?

Ethics issues a Non Enturbulation Order. This states that those named in it (the SPs and PTSs who
are students or preclears) are forbidden to enturbulate others and if one more report is received
of their enturbulating anyone, an SP order will be issued forthwith.

This will hold them in line until tech can be gotten in on them and takes them off the back of Tech
and Qual personnel.
Hubbard's version was to keep the Tech and Qual Divisions from being torn up by actual SP and PTS students and preclears.

David "Darth Midget" Miscavige's version existed as a nothing more than a cruel suppression of good, hardworking senior management staff. Everyone who got one of these was falsely accused of suppressing DM by Darth Midget himself.

The above HCO PL was one of the more frequently misapplied (I actually mean severely abused ) during the INT Command Team Ethics Mission into the WUS Sea Org Tech delivery orgs (1990s). That PL was actually applied in such a way as to thoroughly destroy tech delivery in those Orgs targeted.

Of course, that mission was a Darth Midget operation from top to bottom. :mad:
 
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Karakorum

Ron is the source that will lead you to grief
Hubbard's version was to keep the Tech and Qual Divisions from being torn up by actual SP and PTS students and preclears.

David "Darth Midget" Miscavige's version existed as a nothing more than a cruel suppression of good, hardworking senior management staff.
Well dagnabit and tarnation! My name is being dragged through the mud again I see! ;)
Well you can rest assured that we good hardworking ethics people also had a thing or two to say about them "senior management staff" :D

The above HCO PL was one of the more frequently misapplied (I actually mean severely abused ) during the INT Command Team Ethics Mission into the WUS Sea Org Tech delivery orgs (1990s). That PL was actually applied in such a way as to thoroughly destroy tech delivery in those Orgs targeted.
Well, by the time I was there in the 2000s, ASHO was really good at destroying itself, it didn't need INT to help it in that. AOLA had things put together in a far better manner. Regardless, that doesn't mean AOLA was scoring any sort of universe-saving triumphs either.
 
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TheSneakster

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Well you can rest assured that we good hardworking ethics people also had a thing or two to say about them "senior management staff"
By the time you were at ASHO, there were no senior management staff left. All that remained of senior management was Darth Midget issuing destructive orders, but having senior management write issues and orders to his exact specifications and then sign them with their own post title so they would receive the hatred from lower echelons and not himself. This particular cowardly practice dates back at least as far as Flag Order 3905-1 (Issued 3 April 1991) Children, Sea Org Members and Sea Org Orgs which was nominally authored by ED INT Guillaume Lesevre, but was actually a D.M. order.

Also, you had D.M. (and his personal cadre) right there on site (in every Org) micromanaging everything via his RTC Representative Network. ASHO was being destroyed by D.M. right in front of you, sir or madam.
 
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Karakorum

Ron is the source that will lead you to grief
By the time you were at ASHO, there were no senior management staff left.
That's... a very fair point to be honest.

Also, you had D.M. (and his personal cadre) right there on site (in every Org) micromanaging everything via his RTC Representative Network.
Again, very true, of WUS in general. I was having constant battles with CMO just to keep my team from getting anihilated by entirely unreasonable demands and having impossible goals pushed onto us. And yes, I was aware that was coming from DM, or at the very least from INT execs who were trying to impress and please DM.

So no argument there, you stand correct.

ASHO was being destroyed by D.M. right in front of you, sir or madam.
True, though there were quite a few local ASHO people (both D&F, but moreso D) that weren't doing anyone any favors by the way they ran things. ASHO-D was the undisputed king of stupid KRs, overzealous SO members opening inv cases for every tiny bit of hearsay, and overall a runaway ethics train.
On top of that, some of the people in charge were just toxic and brought the morale of the whole org down. There were some amazing people there as well, but the overall atmosphere at ASHO was heavier and more insane than in pretty much every other place in WUS.
 

TheSneakster

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On top of that, some of the people in charge were just toxic and brought the morale of the whole org down. There were some amazing people there as well, but the overall atmosphere at ASHO was heavier and more insane than in pretty much every other place in WUS.
Yes, that is what the INT Command Team Ethics Mission (Part I & Part II) left behind when they were done and exactly what I reckon Darth Midget wanted: a bunch of assholes loyal only to him left in charge and no more St. Hill Special Briefing Course. :mad:
 

Karakorum

Ron is the source that will lead you to grief
Yes, that is what the INT Command Team Ethics Mission (Part I & Part II) left behind when they were done and exactly what I reckon Darth Midget wanted: a bunch of assholes loyal only to him left in charge and no more St. Hill Special Briefing Course. :mad:
It was all stats, deadlines, aged cases, conflicting orders, constant documentation requests from every Tom Dick &Harry out there, 3-5 hours of sleep per night and stuff like that. To be honest, the SHSBC was the very last thing anyone was worried about at WUS.
 

TheSneakster

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It was all stats, deadlines, aged cases, conflicting orders, constant documentation requests from every Tom Dick &Harry out there, 3-5 hours of sleep per night and stuff like that. To be honest, the SHSBC was the very last thing anyone was worried about at WUS.
Exactly. The two most vital technical products for Scientology to ever have any chance of expanding fast enough to survive - per dozens of Hubbard policies, evals and recorded lectures - were the SHSBC and the Class VIII Course. But by time you were there at ASHO, they had become meaningless.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
To be honest, the SHSBC was the very last thing anyone was worried about at WUS.
Exactly. The two most vital technical products for Scientology to ever have any chance of expanding fast enough to survive - per dozens of Hubbard policies, evals and recorded lectures - were the SHSBC and the Class VIII Course. But by time you were there at ASHO, they had become meaningless.
Even though I now regard LRH as a con man, and his SHSBC lectures as hypnotic patter (and otherwise worthless drivel), there were only two things which provided a reason for PAC's existence: advanced training, and the OT levels.

By LRH's own statements, orgs needed at least a Class VI C/S to have any hope of being "in tech". And there is no more SHSBC, so the existing supply is all there will be, and as they leave, die off, or get declared, the numbers will steadily drop.

The orgs apparently don't deliver much in the way of training or auditing anymore, so Scientology is currently "walking dead".
 

Karakorum

Ron is the source that will lead you to grief
Exactly. The two most vital technical products for Scientology to ever have any chance of expanding fast enough to survive - per dozens of Hubbard policies, evals and recorded lectures - were the SHSBC and the Class VIII Course. But by time you were there at ASHO, they had become meaningless.
I think in the end both the "1st gen tech people" and the "2nd gen structure people" got f-cked over the same way, even though both cared about different things and had quite different reasons to be part of the church.

I doubt Davey has anything planned in the long term. He jsut wants to hang on long enough for himself to die of old age.
 
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